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Stealing a handful of crackers = angry police and church members

stacey bo bacey

oh no you di'int
Hahaha, that's really funny. But, actually, I get where he's coming from. I used to go to mass & get communion and, I have to say, Jesus was DELICIOUS.
 

Sententia

Well-Known Member
Hahaha, that's really funny. But, actually, I get where he's coming from. I used to go to mass & get communion and, I have to say, Jesus was DELICIOUS.

But how delicious? On a scale of 1-10. Anything above an 8 and you are probably catholic... You just dont know it yet... :D
 
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stacey bo bacey

oh no you di'int
But how delicious? On a scale of 1-10. Anything about an 8 and you are probably catholic... You just dont know it yet... :D

Haha, I was Catholic. Depending on the church, 9 or 10. They knew what was up.


LOL! Obviously, you haven't had unleavened Jesus.

I used to be in Girl Scouts and it was through my Catholic school. We would go to a....program? event? day trip thing every summer and it was centered around Catholicism/Girl Scout traditions/values :)D haha yeaaaaaaa....) and we would have unleavened communion then. The people who hosted the program made it. It was good but really hard to chew and swallow.
 

Jordan St. Francis

Well-Known Member
It is *not* a "handfull of crackers".
It's incredibly disrespectful to steal the Eucharist from a Christian church, especially one that regards it in the way Catholics, Orthodox and High Anglicans do.

In Canada, were someone to urinate on a war memorial they would be charged. To walk into a religious community's setting and desecrate their most sacred symbol is a socially heinous act that, at the very least, should be seen as shamefull.
 

Sententia

Well-Known Member
It is *not* a "handfull of crackers".
It's incredibly disrespectful to steal the Eucharist from a Christian church, especially one that regards it in the way Catholics, Orthodox and High Anglicans do.

In Canada, were someone to urinate on a war memorial they would be charged. To walk into a religious community's setting and desecrate their most sacred symbol is a socially heinous act that, at the very least, should be seen as shamefull.

He stole crackers from a priest... got tackled and pinned and held on the ground until authorities arrived. He injured some people who tackled him and held him down.
 

Dunemeister

Well-Known Member
He stole crackers from a priest... got tackled and pinned and held on the ground until authorities arrived. He injured some people who tackled him and held him down.

To a Catholic, they're not mere crackers. They are the literal body of Christ. We may think them wrong about that. I do. But I would NEVER do something so socially deviant as to try to steal them out a priest's hands. It was a stupid, childish stunt, and there ought to be a law to punish him for it.
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
It is *not* a "handfull of crackers".
It's incredibly disrespectful to steal the Eucharist from a Christian church, especially one that regards it in the way Catholics, Orthodox and High Anglicans do.

In Canada, were someone to urinate on a war memorial they would be charged. To walk into a religious community's setting and desecrate their most sacred symbol is a socially heinous act that, at the very least, should be seen as shamefull.
Imo, if he was intending to be disruptive/disrespectful, then I wholeheartedly agree with you. If otoh, he was hungry or mentally disturbed, then I think there should be lenience. I understand that consecrated wafers are the body of Christ and sacred. But surely if a man is truly in need, he can have "more than his fair share" of even Christ... especially Christ.
 

Jordan St. Francis

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure if you are aware that there is an ongoing trend right now to steal the Eucharist from Catholic Churches and desecrate them. There is a whole series of vidoes of someone doing this on YouTube and a university professor in the USA openly called for people to steal hosts, desecrate them, film it and post it online.

I think many Churches are watching the communion lines more closely. If the man is mentally disturbed, however, yes it is a different question. Though the wafer is quite small, if you've ever seen one, it will not satisfy anyone's hunger. It does not make sense that one would be taking it for actual nourishment.
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
I'm not sure if you are aware that there is an ongoing trend right now to steal the Eucharist from Catholic Churches and desecrate them. There is a whole series of vidoes of someone doing this on YouTube and a university professor in the USA openly called for people to steal hosts, desecrate them, film it and post it online.
No, I was not aware of this. The creative ways that people find to express hate in this world never ceases to amaze me.

And just imagine if all that creativity and energy were directed at something constructive rather than destructive.

(Btw, I know the wafers are small, but still thought that a desperate man might try to feed himself from an entire handful.)
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
It is *not* a "handfull of crackers".
It's incredibly disrespectful to steal the Eucharist from a Christian church, especially one that regards it in the way Catholics, Orthodox and High Anglicans do.

In Canada, were someone to urinate on a war memorial they would be charged. To walk into a religious community's setting and desecrate their most sacred symbol is a socially heinous act that, at the very least, should be seen as shamefull.

I heard about the first incident, but this sort of sacrilege is certainly getting old. I wish that people who are not one of us could understand precisely what the Eucharist is. I just hope nobody does something stupid to him, and that, sadly, is quite possible.
 

Sententia

Well-Known Member
To a Catholic, they're not mere crackers. They are the literal body of Christ. We may think them wrong about that. I do. But I would NEVER do something so socially deviant as to try to steal them out a priest's hands. It was a stupid, childish stunt, and there ought to be a law to punish him for it.

There are laws and he is being charged and punished. Just remarkable that in day care if a kid snatched some crackers from the teacher the teacher would probably put them in time out but when you grow up you get wrestled and pinned to the ground and then arrested and charged with various offenses and fined $2000.

Interesting...
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
There are laws and he is being charged and punished. Just remarkable that in day care if a kid snatched some crackers from the teacher the teacher would probably put them in time out but when you grow up you get wrestled and pinned to the ground and then arrested and charged with various offenses and fined $2000.

Interesting...
You know that it's not the same thing, so why do you keep harping on this point?
 

Sententia

Well-Known Member
You know that it's not the same thing, so why do you keep harping on this point?

He picked up a handful wafers and tried to walk out the door. Because these Wafers are valued at about a dollar 7 people lept on him and held him down until the police could arrive.

Its ridiculous. Was he wrong? Sure... Did the tackle squad completely overreact... yep.
 

Wandered Off

Sporadic Driveby Member
I don't know how to ask this without sounding disrespectful, so apologies in advance. In a case like this one, could the priest declare a miraculous "distransubstantiation" as a way to reduce the sacrilege and calm parishioners? That way, he really would've only stolen crackers.
 

Jordan St. Francis

Well-Known Member
No, in the Catholic Tradition once the bread is consecrated and becomes the Body and Blood of of the Lord it has been "permnanently drawn up to God". It is essentially Christ who has done the action. All wine must be consumed and the Host not consumed in Mass is stored in a tabernacle for veneration and worship by the faithful. A candle burns 24 hours at the Tabernacle to signify the enduring and permanent "Real Presence" of the Lord in the Church.

It can not be said enough that the Eucharistic bread, by the time that it is being distributed to the faithful for consumption is no longer essentially bread, but is owed the veneration, adoration and worship proper to the Son of God.

This is a particularly Catholic way of talking about it, but is a long-standing Christian belief:
For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus"
- Justin Martyr, 151 A.D.

To treat the Eucharist as "crackers" is to assault a nearly two millennia old Christian practice
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