Multiple Church Leaders Condemn Bigoted Ad Against California Proposition 8

[DallasApple]

Maybe the Mormons got unfairly "picked on' for their invasion of others civil rights..because most or many people will identify with the "white shirted young boys banging on your door"...more so than say the Presbyterians..or the Catholics or the Jews...etc..

Love

Dallas

 

[Father Heathen]

Outrageous 'No on 8' TV Ad is Slammed for Religious Bigotry and Intolerance - MarketWatch

The church needs to be exposed for what it is and put in its place.

 

[Father Heathen]

I just love those who claim that because people who disagree with left policies like legalizing "gay marriage", that we are bigots et al.

To me the left who claim to be the tolerant ones, are the most intolerant of all as a whole.:yes: If you disagree with liberals you are closed minded. Please look in the mirror before you cast your stone at your reflection. After the stone is thrown, then see how cracked the image of yourself is. Kind of reflects your signature to "Coexist"

So to disagree with bigotry is a form of bigotry itself? Durrrrr...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The church needs to be exposed for what it is and put in its place.

But that ad doesn't "expose it for what it is". It paints a false and inflammatory picture that distracts from the real root causes of the problem.

 

[madhatter85]

wow, this is an absolute disgrace to those against prop 8.

Have we made a commercial showing gays invading your homes teaching your children about homosexuality, having sex on your couch? no...

Anyone who thinks this AD is a good one has mental health issues.

 

[madhatter85]

The church needs to be exposed for what it is and put in its place.

And what is that exactly? i would love to hear your hate speech against our church. Was it the fact that we bring families closer together? is it the fact that we rush tot he aid of everyone who needs helps after natural disasters? What is it exactly that has your panties in a bunch about our church?

 

[Storm]

wow, this is an absolute disgrace to those against prop 8.

Less than the disgrace of your Church's stance.

Have we made a commercial showing gays invading your homes teaching your children about homosexuality, having sex on your couch? no...

The difference is, we're not trying to do that.

Anyone who thinks this AD is a good one has mental health issues.

:slap:

 

[madhatter85]

So to disagree with bigotry is a form of bigotry itself? Durrrrr...

derrrrrr, have you not realized it's just one vicious cycle? hate only brings more hate. The difference is we did not attack any one with hate-speech. We do not agree with homosexuality, so of course we are going to do everything we can to support prop 8. Quit placing blame on anyone in particular, people are always going to have differing viewpoints and will vote thier conscience accordingly.

 

[madhatter85]

Less than the disgrace of your Church's stance.

Oh really? please explain. if that is the case you have to group in all the other churches who supported Prop 8. It's not our fault LDS members have more money to throw at it (the church itself did not contribute one cent)

The difference is, we're not trying to do that.

Nor are we trying to do what is depicted there.

 

[Storm]

Oh really? please explain. if that is the case you have to group in all the other churches who supported Prop 8. It's not our fault LDS members have more money to throw at it (the church itself did not contribute one cent)

I do.

Nor are we trying to do what is depicted there.

Oh? How not?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And what is that exactly? i would love to hear your hate speech against our church. Was it the fact that we bring families closer together? is it the fact that we rush tot he aid of everyone who needs helps after natural disasters? What is it exactly that has your panties in a bunch about our church?

Your Church seems to have no issues with imposing its views on people who don't share them and working to constrain their liberty. This tends to irk some people.

As much as I dislike the ad, the LDS Church sure doesn't come out of this campaign smelling of roses.

 

[Father Heathen]

We do not agree with homosexuality

And I don't agree with Mormonism, but I respect your right and freedom to worship and practice as you please! That is why I hate the church, it tries to stick its snout in other peoples business and impose its beliefs upon others. It has set itself against liberty and everything else America stands for. If you don't like homosexuality, fine. Then don't have sex with and/or marry someone of the same gender, but you have no right to interfere with and violate the rights of others.

 

[Magic Man]

But that ad doesn't "expose it for what it is". It paints a false and inflammatory picture that distracts from the real root causes of the problem.

I disagree. I think it exposes it for what it is. As I said before, if you look at the situation, the Mormon church has done exactly what the commercial portrays, just not on an individual, personal basis like that. There's nothing false about it. They may not go about it quite as cruelly as in the commercial, but they show an extreme disregard for others in their actions. They may not mean to be cruel or mean, but they refuse to listen to others when they tell them what the consequences of their actions are.

 

[Magic Man]

And what is that exactly? i would love to hear your hate speech against our church. Was it the fact that we bring families closer together? is it the fact that we rush tot he aid of everyone who needs helps after natural disasters? What is it exactly that has your panties in a bunch about our church?

How about the fact that your church is arrogant and is in the habit of actively trying to deny others their rights? It's not hate speech. It's critical speech, and I'm sorry if you can't take it. I don't hate the Mormon church, and I know that most of its members are perfectly fine people. However, they've made it clear that they have no problem trampling on the freedoms of others.

 

[DallasApple]

wow, this is an absolute disgrace to those against prop 8.

Have we made a commercial showing gays invading your homes teaching your children about homosexuality, having sex on your couch? no...

Anyone who thinks this AD is a good one has mental health issues.

Gays arent taking away the rights of heterosexuals...

Our "chidren"...are not having thier rights to choose taken away...That is unless they are gay...


Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

Education...awareness...Is not the same thing as YOU as an individual are STRIPPED of your rights because "we" believe its wrong because OUR God said...

Oh and by the way....I have NEVER had a "gay" (and I know plenty of them)..that banged on my door and tried to convince my children "gay is the only way"...Let alone try and take my childs right away to marry the opposite sex...

So what exactly is your point?

Love

Dallas

 

[Katzpur]

Clearly, some Mormons should try to sell their glass houses even though we're in a down market.

That is entirely beside the point. I agree with your statement, but it didn't really address mine.

 

[Katzpur]

No, Katz, I believe that the LDS Church took an unfortunate, bigoted stand, and they deserved to be called out on it.

Calling them on it is one thing. I agree with you on that. I think the video went well beyond calling them on it. What exactly was the intent of the video? Was it to point out that the Church's stand hurt a lot of people, or was it to malign the Church and its members?

Those LDS who opposed Prop 8 also deserve extra credit for defying their spiritual leaders, and I thank them from the bottom of my heart. :clap

Well, I don't live in California, but I would have voted against it, so your gratitude is appreciated.

 

[Katzpur]

I agree. I think the ad was wrong.

I personally think that the LDS Church's official stance on Proposition 8 is unfortunate, but I have no reason to believe that it doesn't come out of an honest attempt to follow what they think is good and in keeping with the will of God.

I think the Church may be horribly misguided here, but the commercial paints them as deliberately evil and sadistic. I think it crosses the line.

Do you truly think that Mormons share the intent and the callous cynicism portrayed in the add? I am completely and militantly opposed to Proposition 8, but I nevertheless believe that the add is not only bigoted but - and this is much, much worse - intentionally panders to bigotry.

Thank you both for your rational responses.

 

[Storm]

Calling them on it is one thing. I agree with you on that. I think the video went well beyond calling them on it. What exactly was the intent of the video? Was it to point out that the Church's stand hurt a lot of people, or was it to malign the Church and it's members?

The former.

Well, I don't live in California, but I would have voted against it, so your gratitude is appreciated.

:hug: You're welcome.