Does love surpass knowledge?

[tomspug]

In Ephesians (one of the more philosophical letters of his) Paul claimed that love surpassed knowledge. With respect to "truth", that ever-elusive concept, do we trust love more than knowledge? More than that, IS love greater than knowledge?

Certainly, with regard to diplomacy and discussion, it is more productive to love and understand than to prove and disprove. Love is, by far, more persuasive than knowledge, there is no question of that. However, is love more truthful than knowledge?

 

[3.14]

love is saying 1+1=3 even though you know the truth is thats 1+1=2

 

[methylatedghosts]

love is saying 1+1=3 even though you know the truth is thats 1+1=2

Love is lying?

 

[cardero]

"Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, "In this world, Elwood, you must be" - she always called me Elwood - "In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."
-James Stewart as Elwood. P. Dowd from the movie Harvey

 

[blackout]

love is saying 1+1=3 even though you know the truth is thats 1+1=2

love says that 1+1+1=3

 

[blackout]

love also says that 2+1=3

 

[blackout]

knowledge says that 3 is not allowed.

 

[methylatedghosts]

love says that 1+1+1=3

Or... that 1+2 hot spanish tourists....

 

[blackout]

Or... that 1+2 hot spanish tourists....

= a truly good time? :flirt:

 

[blackout]

No knowledge that I have accrued from any source
will ever bring me any personal "gain"
unless my Self is rooted in Love.

Outside of Love... I will never have the insight
to do anything of personal wonder or magic
with anything I have ever learned or been shown.
'
Also what I have been shown to be true from outside sources
must be confirmed from Source within my own Self,'
or for me it is still "idea" and not "truth" or knowledge.

Self knowledge for me is of the utmost importance,
and this can only be found in the love of Self.

 

[stacey bo bacey]

However, is love more truthful than knowledge?

"The heart is deceitful above all things."


That's what I believe.

 

[dawny0826]

No knowledge that I have accrued from any source
will ever bring me any personal "gain"
unless my Self is rooted in Love.

Outside of Love... I will never have the insight
to do anything of personal wonder or magic
with anything I have ever learned or been shown.
'
Also what I have been shown to be true from outside sources
must be confirmed from Source within my own Self,'
or for me it is still "idea" and not "truth" or knowledge.

Self knowledge for me is of the utmost importance,
and this can only be found in the love of Self.

That's really beautiful, UV. Frubals (and hugs). It's hard to understand the world when one doesn't understand (and love) oneself.

 

[UnTheist]

I don't think they're comparable

 

[Scuba Pete]

"The heart is deceitful above all things."


That's what I believe.

How sad!

Here is what I believe:

I Corinthians 13:

1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. NIV

Without love, you just ain't squat. 'Nuff said!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Why on earth do you consider this question in the least coherent?

 

[Makaveli]

No.

Love is one of the passions, and love is fleeting. Love will not set you on the path to wisdom but on the path to immorality; such attachment is not beneficial for the attainment of progress. It stunts progress, it encourages one to act without the use of reason or common sense, it scrambles all plans and objective morality into a perversion of itself.

Knowledge is constant, and will never lead one astray. Those who seek knowledge may count themselves among the ranks of philosophers.

But, what is human life without love? Empty, hollow, bereft of interest. The heart must not rule the head, but neither must the head rule the heart; passions are natural, and they only become good or bad based on a fine balance between excess and defect. Live with balance.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Love is one of the passions, and love is fleeting.

I fully disagree. Your love may be that ephemeral, but there is a far deeper and sacrificial love. People lay down their lives for their loved ones.

 

[Makaveli]

There can be, I don't dispute that, but love is based on a contract that has no weight behind it; it's highly likely that love will be broken by one or the other party because it is conditional.

Also, people laying down their lives goes with my argument that love suspends reason within people when it is so strong.

 

[Scuba Pete]

There can be, I don't dispute that, but love is based on a contract that has no weight behind it; it's highly likely that love will be broken by one or the other party because it is conditional.

I hope you tell your mom and dad that theory. I would bet that they would disagree with you about not having any weight behind it.

Also, people laying down their lives goes with my argument that love suspends reason within people when it is so strong.

Only if you are as cynical as yourself.

The Greeks had three types of love: Sacrificial, brotherly and erotic. While the latter can be volatile, the first two are often the stuff legends are made of.

 

[Makaveli]

I hope you tell your mom and dad that theory. I would bet that they would disagree with you about not having any weight behind it. Only if you are as cynical as yourself.

The Greeks had three types of love: Sacrificial, brotherly and erotic. While the latter can be volatile, the first two are often the stuff legends are made of.

You misunderstood my statement; a contract without anything that holds it together except for mutual consent is an inherently weak agreement. That doesn't nullify the obvious fact that many people would never break that contract, but you cant deny that nothing will directly happen should that contract be broken; there are no consequences.

Maybe I am cynical. Did you read the last bit of my post, though? I did state that life without love is a life bereft of interest or purpose, I am merely stating the drawbacks of it.