Miracles

[Charity]

A Miracle is an event, perceived by human senses in which Christians believe that God works supernaturally to bring results, that cannot be traced to natural causes alone. Miracles occurred in the early church not at the discretion of humans but according to the will of God.
We cannot have miracles on demand to serve our purposes, they benefit us, but always serve God's purpose.
What fact or evidence about healing would there have to be in order for you to consider something a miracle from God?

 

[.lava]

if we know how it works, we would not call it miracle, would we? people keep on learning science, keep on exploring and uncovering truths. when they figure out the science of walking on water, a math problem would be solved. i don't think miracles of God are against science. it is part of science that human did not reach out yet. so normal to use digital cameras today but imagine how it would be like for people of 15th century.

i am afraid everything is miracle. there is a hidden tree within the seed.



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[darkendless]

A Miracle is an event, perceived by human senses in which Christians believe that God works supernaturally to bring results, that cannot be traced to natural causes alone. Miracles occurred in the early church not at the discretion of humans but according to the will of God.
We cannot have miracles on demand to serve our purposes, they benefit us, but always serve God's purpose.
What fact or evidence about healing would there have to be in order for you to consider something a miracle from God?

I'd have to watch it personally, do you remember a movie called the Green Mile? Something of that nature i'd have to see.
As far as im convinced, healers are only as powerful as word of mouth makes them out to be. I do not dismiss their existance completely, i am just suspicious and sceptical. I don't think there have been many miracles lately that were acknowleged by the church, maybe because our understanding of our own bodies is increasing?

 

[Charity]

I'm not really talking about healers, but as healing by God through our own faith.
For instance 3 years ago my granddaughter finally reached the place where she could get her braces on her teeth. The orthodontist discovered the fact that the bones in the roof of her mouth were not together the way they should be. He said he knew her teeth, which were terribly crooked would be able to be perfect, but there was no way that this bone problem would change without surgery when she become older. During the course of the three years every xray verified what the Dr had said, her bone remained just the way it had in the beginning. I started asking God for a miracle and I continued in my prayer believing that it would happen. Two weeks ago when the braces came off and he was doing the last xrays. He came out to tell us that what had happened was not possible, but there it was on the xray for the skeptic to see. An xray of a perfect miracle.....I think I shall frame them all from beginning to end just to prove there are miracles, whether you believe it or not....

 

[methylatedghosts]

For me, every event is a miracle, every moment is holy. None more so than another.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

For me, every event is a miracle, every moment is holy. None more so than another.

I like it.

 

[BucephalusBB]

I am afraid I will never see a miracle..
I agree partially with .lava. Once we can figure out the miracle, it no longer is a miracle.
The way I see it, a miracle is an event that cannot happen. So I am not talking about a chance of 1 in a million, but really completelly none at all, impossible! (the problem that lies here is that we think we got a good understanding of this world, yet there is so much we don't know.)

My problem with your example:

...Two weeks ago when the braces came off and he was doing the last xrays. He came out to tell us that what had happened was not possible, but there it was on the xray for the skeptic to see. An xray of a perfect miracle.....I think I shall frame them all from beginning to end just to prove there are miracles, whether you believe it or not....

If a doctor receives a miracle, like this one, there is no way he would keep it to himself. Maybe if there was a very small chance of the event occuring, he would keep it to himself, but if something happened that is impossible, he will tell to all the other doctors including your proof. If miracles happen, they will be tested and they will get into the newspapers. If miracles were actually just very very lucky though, there is no story for the newspaper and nothing to test.

Even when it hits the newespaper it can be flawed though, but it's the start.
Your story didn't even get to the newspaper.. Even though the doctor told you it was impossible, it was more likelly there was a very very slim chance instead.

Oh, and calling very slim chances a miracle would put it in the "faith"catagory I guess.

 

[blackout]

I prefer to call it Magic.

But it doesn't mind being called by many other names.

 

[Father Heathen]

How do you feel about miracles that happen within other faiths? The Devil's trickery? And another question: how come a whole lot of huge crazy spectacular miracles happened back in ancient times, but today you're lucky just to get the occasional lame parlor trick. Crying statues? Yawn. Impress me with something that makes a difference, like a cure for AIDS or cancer, or maybe have food magically materialize for each and every starving child in the world.

 

[Alex_G]

A Miracle is an event, perceived by human senses in which Christians believe that God works supernaturally to bring results, that cannot be traced to natural causes alone. Miracles occurred in the early church not at the discretion of humans but according to the will of God.
We cannot have miracles on demand to serve our purposes, they benefit us, but always serve God's purpose.
What fact or evidence about healing would there have to be in order for you to consider something a miracle from God?

A miracle to me is a result of the interaction between a persons expectations, and the probability of a result. This equilibrial dynamic obviously exists due to the fact that for example children may find fairly common events miricals according to their expectations, in relation to adults.

As for evidence, not quite sure what you mean by healing, but i ask myself what would i expect to explain a Godless scenario, and thats what presents to me from day to day. Its the connection between the events and a supernatural being that im unsure of, not that fact the event occurs in the 1st place. Dont want my ignorance to get the better of me. Not everything is easily explainable, the amount of stuff we dont know/understand greatly outweighs that which we do, but i see that as no reason that it is unexplainable, and wont be uncovered in the future. Who knows what knowlage will appear in my lifetime, hopefully i will be a part of it. I find at least to me attributing events to a supernatural a bit of a cop out explanation wise, though people are obviously free to do so under whatever emotional premise they have for their rational. Its just not for me

 

[Charity]

I am afraid I will never see a miracle..
I agree partially with .lava. Once we can figure out the miracle, it no longer is a miracle.
The way I see it, a miracle is an event that cannot happen. So I am not talking about a chance of 1 in a million, but really completelly none at all, impossible! (the problem that lies here is that we think we got a good understanding of this world, yet there is so much we don't know.)

My problem with your example:


If a doctor receives a miracle, like this one, there is no way he would keep it to himself. Maybe if there was a very small chance of the event occuring, he would keep it to himself, but if something happened that is impossible, he will tell to all the other doctors including your proof. If miracles happen, they will be tested and they will get into the newspapers. If miracles were actually just very very lucky though, there is no story for the newspaper and nothing to test.

Even when it hits the newespaper it can be flawed though, but it's the start.
Your story didn't even get to the newspaper.. Even though the doctor told you it was impossible, it was more likelly there was a very very slim chance instead.

Oh, and calling very slim chances a miracle would put it in the "faith"catagory I guess.

If I had my way it would be in the papers with the xrays....but my granddaughter is underage, my daughter is not a Christian and this is not my decision to make. Also the doctor could not give out the information, with her name or that would be a breach in patient confidentality....subject to a lawsuit....
He might possibly mention the case and the facts to his fellow Dentists but could not use her name without permission.....
Your free to believe what you want, but I have the proof and that is all that is necessary for me...... Happy Bouncing

 

[.lava]

IMO, everything could be explained but God. we have boundaries but God does not have. so there would always be events that we would call miracles. even if we discover the dynamics behind it, God is always be able to make it go further, cos science of God is endless. a responded pray is something really great. God proves itself to believer. sometimes people i know tell me similar things. some more simple. one lady told me that she had a favorite plant, a flower at her home. she says that it dried out and died. she feels sorry because she likes it's flower and she prays God. says God is able to do anything, God can give life back to that plant. later on she sees small green leaves coming out of plant.



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[Jeremy Mason]

IMO, everything could be explained but God. we have boundaries but God does not have. so there would always be events that we would call miracles. even if we discover the dynamics behind it, God is always be able to make it go further, cos science of God is endless. a responded pray is something really great. God proves itself to believer. sometimes people i know tell me similar things. some more simple. one lady told me that she had a favorite plant, a flower at her home. she says that it dried out and died. she feels sorry because she likes it's flower and she prays God. says God is able to do anything, God can give life back to that plant. later on she sees small green leaves coming out of plant.



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Good post. Frubals.

 

[Charity]

IMO, everything could be explained but God. we have boundaries but God does not have. so there would always be events that we would call miracles. even if we discover the dynamics behind it, God is always be able to make it go further, cos science of God is endless. a responded pray is something really great. God proves itself to believer. sometimes people i know tell me similar things. some more simple. one lady told me that she had a favorite plant, a flower at her home. she says that it dried out and died. she feels sorry because she likes it's flower and she prays God. says God is able to do anything, God can give life back to that plant. later on she sees small green leaves coming out of plant.



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Thank you so much for your post....It may not be a miracle to anyone else but to the person who needs it , it is a miracle.....It was a miracle that my daughter didn't have to pay out the 25,000 for the surgery that the insurance didn't cover for the surgery that would have been required for my granddaughter.....as well as my granddaughter not requiring the surgery.......

 

[Ringer]

The very fact that we are here on this earth is a miracle, IMO. I think that we are so inundated with miracles in our daily lives that we fail to see them for what they are. I mean, the fact that there is life on this earth in such a vast universe is a miracle itself. If you can't comes to terms with that, I don't think anything supernatural you experience in life will convince you. Miracles are also not limited to theists. They happen on God's terms and can happen within any of his creation.

 

[.lava]

Thank you so much for your post....It may not be a miracle to anyone else but to the person who needs it , it is a miracle.....It was a miracle that my daughter didn't have to pay out the 25,000 for the surgery that the insurance didn't cover for the surgery that would have been required for my granddaughter.....as well as my granddaughter not requiring the surgery.......

your welcome, Charity i thought i was maybe misunderstood. i agree with you. there are miracles. there are things that is possible, we call them possible because we know how they happen and thanks to them we experience what is impossible. it is beyond our understanding. but we do understand there is nothing impossible for God. i believe that is one of the most profound taste a believer could ever have. oh let me say it again....not recipe.........'taste'........



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[BucephalusBB]

If I had my way it would be in the papers with the xrays....but my granddaughter is underage, my daughter is not a Christian and this is not my decision to make. Also the doctor could not give out the information, with her name or that would be a breach in patient confidentality....subject to a lawsuit....
He might possibly mention the case and the facts to his fellow Dentists but could not use her name without permission.....

That's not the thing. There are so many people claiming miracles and none ever get proven, showed to the rest of the world by newspaper etc. Your case is just another one. And maybe I could agree that a nation rather wants that information to remain classified for whatever reason, but the entire world? for hundreds of years?

I think it's great for you what happened, but for me, your case is one in a milion.

Your free to believe what you want, but I have the proof and that is all that is necessary for me......

And that's all that should be. I will probably even strengthen your faith more and you're happy with the situation!
I wish one day I will receive proof that can convince me in either way. My start is just different. I don't believe in God and thus will not pray. For me your event would have been "lucky"..

Happy Bouncing

Always :rainbow1:

 

[Rolling_Stone]

I have a really, really strange definition of a miracle: a miracle is a shift in consciousness that recreates reality along the lines of a higher continuum. Take from that whatever you will.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

I have a really, really strange definition of a miracle: a miracle is a shift in consciousness that recreates reality along the lines of a higher continuum. Take from that whatever you will.

I like it. I've seen that movie What the Bleep Do We Know and wondered if miracles somehow involve quantum mechanics. Jesus said we all have the power to manifest our own miracles. I don't what to suggest that God isn't apart of the process, I'm just curious if this is how God does it.

 

[BucephalusBB]

I like it. I've seen that movie What the Bleep Do We Know and wondered if miracles somehow involve quantum mechanics. Jesus said we all have the power to manifest our own miracles. I don't what to suggest that God isn't apart of the process, I'm just curious if this is how God does it.

What the bleep do we know is a poor reflection on quantum physics though. It takes symptoms that happen on supersmall scale and reflects it as if it can happen at our size.