Jeremy Hall's plight in the US military

[Nessa]

Well then, instead of telling us your information is different, tell us the information you have.

Unless it's classified and you can't tell us.

I have to agree with Riverwolf, a news article reporting the news is a good source. I don't think an ad hominem based on anecdotal evidence is a good source.

 

[Riverwolf]

I have to agree with Riverwolf, a news article reporting the news is a good source. I don't think an ad hominem based on anecdotal evidence is a good source.

I never said that I think the news is a better source. In fact, I'd sooner trust what Scott has to say, as it's directly from the mouths of those involved. Then again, when it comes to the military, who knows which stories are true? Sometimes I wonder if even the grunts know which stories are true...

 

[Scott1]

Well then, instead of telling us your information is different, tell us the information you have.

Unless it's classified and you can't tell us.

I already did.... this kid was a first class screw-up and ignored the orders of his Commander... now he's trying to profit from his ignorance.... and I'm suprised that anyone would believe he'd come right out and admit "Oh yeah... looking for money"... hehe.... I'm sure that there is a bit of truth on BOTH sides of the story, but the NCO's in his unit (one of which was an old driver of mine) give a different story than the one I read in that article.... feel free to believe whatever you'd like.

Peace ya'll
Scott

 

[camanintx]

I already did.... this kid was a first class screw-up and ignored the orders of his Commander...

I don't see anywhere in this thread where you have explained what you know about this case. I would be curious to know what order he ignored.

 

[Nessa]

I already did.... this kid was a first class screw-up and ignored the orders of his Commander... now he's trying to profit from his ignorance.... and I'm suprised that anyone would believe he'd come right out and admit "Oh yeah... looking for money"... hehe.... I'm sure that there is a bit of truth on BOTH sides of the story, but the NCO's in his unit (one of which was an old driver of mine) give a different story than the one I read in that article.... feel free to believe whatever you'd like.

Peace ya'll
Scott

Here is a copy of the actual lawsuit.

Under part Two, Parties : "Plaintiff Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) is a not-for-profit interest organization that advocates that the military recognize and defend the rights of individuals to be free of compulsory religious practices. MRFF has supporters and members that include plaintiff Jeremy Hall."

It goes on to show the nature of complaints.

Under Remedies :" Plaintiffs seek equitable relief in the form of an injunction prohibiting defendant Welborn from: a) interfering with plaintiff Hall's rights to free speech and assembly that do not diminish plaintiff Hall's response to command; b) to refrain from conduct that has the effect of establishing compulsory religious practices; and c) to require that defendant Gates exercise his authority and prevent his subordinate, defendant Welborn, and those subordinates similarly situated, from infringing upon plaintiff Hall's Constitutional rights. Plaintiffs also seek costs, fees and other relief deemed appropriate by the Court."


Hall isn't seeking compensation in his lawsuit

 

[Storm]

Nessa, that particular shade of pink is extremely difficult to read. I understand personalizing the text, but could you use a darker color?

 

[Nessa]

Nessa, that particular shade of pink is extremely difficult to read. I understand personalizing the text, but could you use a darker color?

Ok sure.

 

[Storm]

Thanks, much appreciated.

 

[Scott1]

Hall isn't seeking compensation in his lawsuit

Never said he was.

Peace,
S

 

[McBell]

The Army has strict guidelines about what you can and can not do.... and since I personally know people in his unit, I can tell you that this article DOES NOT convey the truth of what happend.... and is simply an example of someone trying to get "paid".

People will do anything for money.

Never said he was.

Peace,
S

Interesting

So what did you mean then?

 

[standing_alone]

I'm not sure if it has changed, but the Oath I took when entering the US Army was as follows:​

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
(Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).​

I'm not aware that the ommision of the "So help me God" was an option... does anyone have a reference that shows it's not part of the oath?​

You're given the option of saying that part, not saying it, or just saying "so help me" without the "God" part.

 

[Troublemane]

I heard about this story , and from what Ive heard from military folk is the consensus that either a) it did not happen and the guys making up all of it to get attention, or b) its just a really strange incident where the system broke down. The primary reason is this---if there were such an incident occurring to the extent this guy claims, then the troops' Chaplain would have become aware of it and gone to intercede well before it became a problem. Thats their job.

its possible this incident slipped under the radar of the chaplain, maybe, and the chain of command. but whats interesting is it seems the guy went over his superior's head. and from what i understand its standard procedure to assign guards to someone who feels their life is in danger, pending an investigation. so, on the one hand i hope this guy was making it up, since it would show a real breakdown in the US military that soldiers are threatening each other over something that should be held sacred, our basic freedoms,....but at the same time i hope he isnt making it up, because that makes him sound like a whiny idiot just looking for attention. :angel2: