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Religion v Religion

tariqkhwaja

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
There has to be a right religion if there is one God (even if there is no God, in fact).

So if there is God, then there has to be a right religion because God could not have said
1. There are many Gods (Hinduism)
2. There is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (Christianity)
3. There is no God but Allah (Islam)

simultaneously. One of them has to be wrong and the other right

OR

4. There is no God (atheism)

The above four statements cannot all be correct and, therefore, there has to be a RIGHT
 
tariqkhwaja

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
There has to be a right religion if there is a God (even if there is no God, in fact).

So if there is God, then there has to be a right religion because God could not have said
1. There are many Gods (Hinduism)
2. There is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (Christianity)
3. There is no God but Allah (Islam)

simultaneously. They are too contradictory to all be correct. It is simply not possible. One of them has to be wrong and the other right.

OR

4. There is no God (atheism)

The above four statements cannot all be correct and, therefore, there has to be a RIGHT religion.
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
tariqkhwaja said:
There has to be a right religion if there is one God (even if there is no God, in fact).

So if there is God, then there has to be a right religion because God could not have said
1. There are many Gods (Hinduism)
2. There is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (Christianity)
3. There is no God but Allah (Islam)

simultaneously. One of them has to be wrong and the other right

OR

4. There is no God (atheism)

The above four statements cannot all be correct and, therefore, there has to be a RIGHT
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Or, nobody's right, and they're all failed attempts to understand. So no, there doesn't HAVE TO BE a "right" answer.
 
tariqkhwaja

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
How all four possiblities could be wrong goes way beyond my understanding.

Possibility 1:
There is a God(s)
Possibility 2:
There is no God
Possibility 3:
THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY 3

Dude I can have 1 apple or no apples. Maybe I do not know how many apples I have. But there is no third possiblity!
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
tariqkhwaja said:
How all four possiblities could be wrong goes way beyond my understanding.

Possibility 1:
There is a God(s)
Possibility 2:
There is no God
Possibility 3:
THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY 3

Dude I can have 1 apple or no apples. Maybe I do not know how many apples I have. But there is no third possiblity!
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Possibility 3: There is a God, and nobody undrstands it. The most likely, to my mind.
 
tariqkhwaja

tariqkhwaja

Jihad Against Terrorism
Possibility 3: There is a God, and nobody undrstands it.
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Which is possibility 1. Understanding is what we try to do ... but there is a right ... whether we get it or not and the other possibilities (in this case that "There is no God") cannot be right, simultaneously ...

I am not debating this any longer.
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
tariqkhwaja said:
Which is possibility 1. Understanding is what we try to do ... but there is a right ... whether we get it or not and the other possibilities (in this case that "There is no God") cannot be right, simultaneously ...

I am not debating this any longer.
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Your original statement wast that one religion or lack thereof must be "the right one." I pointed out that this is not the case, and you changed your argument. Cheap.
 
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tigrers99

Member
+Xausted said:
Why is one religion more right over another. Since the basic premise of religion is to lead a good life(strip them all down and they all share the common moralistic elements), then does it matter in which doctrine/God/belief structure one follows? Why is your faith the one "True Faith"
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Well, religion involves people who are a worshipper of a deity and have high moral standards. Why is there confusion caused by many who maintain that there can be only one true religion that Deity can be pleased by? I think that the answer/s are found by examining the evidence that they have (or think that they have) for believing such.

For me the Bible (even with it's share of problems) is the strongest religion that we humans have. Though there are differences between the New Testament writers (some uninspired) telling of the resurrection morning and what articles of clothing were involved. What physical evidence we do have concerning this resurrection morning is the one recorded in (Mt 27:59).........later be known as the Shroud:

Pictures of Jesus - The Second Face Picture - The Shroud of Turin
 
+Xausted

+Xausted

Well-Known Member
For me the Bible (even with it's share of problems) is the strongest religion that we humans have. Though there are differences between the New Testament writers (some uninspired) telling of the resurrection morning and what articles of clothing were involved. What physical evidence we do have concerning this resurrection morning is the one recorded in (Mt 27:59).........later be known as the Shroud:

Pictures of Jesus - The Second Face Picture - The Shroud of Turin[/quote]
I do not know your history beliefs or education, so i just wondered if and/how deeply you have looked into other religions, in order to reach this conclusion?
 
Poisonshady313

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
+Xausted said:
For me the Bible (even with it's share of problems) is the strongest religion that we humans have. Though there are differences between the New Testament writers (some uninspired) telling of the resurrection morning and what articles of clothing were involved. What physical evidence we do have concerning this resurrection morning is the one recorded in (Mt 27:59).........later be known as the Shroud:

Pictures of Jesus - The Second Face Picture - The Shroud of Turin
I do not know your history beliefs or education, so i just wondered if and/how deeply you have looked into other religions, in order to reach this conclusion?
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Pretty sure the Shroud of Turin was a hoax. Easily reproducible... so easily, in fact, it was demonstrated (can probably find it on youtube somewhere)... and explained that it was so easy to do, it could very well have been done hundreds of years ago.
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Poisonshady313 said:
Pretty sure the Shroud of Turin was a hoax. Easily reproducible... so easily, in fact, it was demonstrated (can probably find it on youtube somewhere)... and explained that it was so easy to do, it could very well have been done hundreds of years ago.
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It's arguable. The fabric was analyzed by a tactile expert and reported to be a high-quality first century linen of the sort that would be used in the burial shroud of someone highly respected, and there are alternative explanations for the image.
 
Poisonshady313

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
Storm said:
It's arguable. The fabric was analyzed by a tactile expert and reported to be a high-quality first century linen of the sort that would be used in the burial shroud of someone highly respected, and there are alternative explanations for the image.
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Any Christian who ever brings up Isaiah 53 in regards to Jesus will tell you that Jesus was anything but highly respected. They'll tell you he was "Despised and rejected by men".

If it was the romans who tortured him and crucified him, and the Jews who were shouting for his blood... exactly who highly respected him enough to give him such a high quality linen?
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Poisonshady313 said:
Any Christian who ever brings up Isaiah 53 in regards to Jesus will tell you that Jesus was anything but highly respected. They'll tell you he was "Despised and rejected by men".

If it was the romans who tortured him and crucified him, and the Jews who were shouting for his blood... exactly who highly respected him enough to give him such a high quality linen?
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I'm not saying it's Christ's, just that it might not be a hoax. More of a misunderstanding.
 
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Smoke

Done here.
tariqkhwaja said:
How all four possiblities could be wrong goes way beyond my understanding.
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5. Wicca is the true religion.
6. Asatru is the true religion.
7. Cao Dai is the true religion.
8. Tenrikyo is the true religion.
9. Shinto is the true religion.
10. Buddhism is the true religion.
11. Kemetic Reconstructionism is the true religion.
12. Scientology is the true religion.
13. Jainism is the true religion.
14. All religions are partially true but none of them is completely true.
15. All religions are bunk.
16. All religions are true in their own way.
17. All religions are true as far as they go.
18. It is impossible to know whether any religion is true.
19. It is impossible to know whether more than one religion can be true.
20. God is just jerking us around.

Just off the top of my head. I'm sure we could sit here all night listing alternatives to to your four possibilities.
 
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