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What had caused the so-called "atheism"?

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
I truly feel sad for the unbelievers. They have no idea how much joy Christ brings into our lives. They have no expectation of receiving blessings or the gift of an eternal afterlife.

Peace, serenity, and abundance eludes them.

Like all beliefs, we could be wrong about this. There is a chance, a very small chance we could be wrong. That is why it is a belief. That small doubt is removed by a personal relationship with Christ who affects our lives on a daily basis with abundant blessings however.

Just the same, we could be wrong about this. If we are wrong, we are no worse off. We will never know we are wrong. Can the unbeliever say this? :help:

The Atheist's better hope they are right. Believing they have no soul in an afterlife could prove devastating if they are wrong. Just like the believer, they could be wrong about this too. :sorry1:
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
I truly feel sad for the unbelievers. They have no idea how much joy Christ brings into our lives. They have no expectation of receiving blessings or the gift of an eternal afterlife.
I once spoke with somebody who said that she would put God before her own daughter, so you don't have to feel sad for us.. I rather put a hundred real people before a god or jesus, specially when it comes to love.

Like all beliefs, we could be wrong about this. There is a chance, a very small chance we could be wrong. That is why it is a belief. That small doubt is removed by a personal relationship with Christ who affects our lives on a daily basis with abundant blessings however.
I don't need a "personal" relationship with anybody to remove doubt though :D

Just the same, we could be wrong about this. If we are wrong, we are no worse off. We will never know we are wrong. Can the unbeliever say this? :help:
Ehr nope. Can't see any problem with that though..
Besides, this is not something I choose to believe, but something I believe.

The Atheist's better hope they are right. Believing they have no soul in an afterlife could prove devastating if they are wrong. Just like the believer, they could be wrong about this too. :sorry1:
No problem, I am a good guy.. If the big chief upstairs doesn't want me only because he himself gave me free will, I don't even want to be there..
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I truly feel sad for the unbelievers. They have no idea how much joy Christ brings into our lives. They have no expectation of receiving blessings or the gift of an eternal afterlife.

Peace, serenity, and abundance eludes them.
I do have peace, serenity and abundance. I also have several Christian friends and relatives who are far from serene. Out of all the people I know, the one who I think most has "peace, serenity and abundance" is Buddhist.

Like all beliefs, we could be wrong about this. There is a chance, a very small chance we could be wrong. That is why it is a belief. That small doubt is removed by a personal relationship with Christ who affects our lives on a daily basis with abundant blessings however.
What do you mean by a "personal relationship with Christ"?

What sort of blessings?

Just the same, we could be wrong about this. If we are wrong, we are no worse off. We will never know we are wrong. Can the unbeliever say this? :help:
There are plenty of religions that preach that worship of a false god is punished worse than worship of no gods at all. If you're wrong and they're right, you would be worse off.

If this life is everything and you sacrifice part of it or give of yourself in ways that you wouldn't otherwise, you'll have thrown away a large part of what you have and are. If religion makes you happy or encourages you to do good things, great, but I'd say those who endure religion specifically because of the promise of divine reward, and those who are driven by religion to do things they would otherwise find wrong, would be much better off without an incorrect religion.

The logic you're putting forward here is exactly the same as the type that's used in a number of frauds and scams: give a person a promise of great reward in future (e.g. "You've won the British lottery! You're a millionare!" or "You can go to paradise for eternity after you die!"), then ask for something that seems small when compared to the promised reward, but is huge compared to what the person actually has (e.g. "All you need to do is give us $5,000 for 'taxes'!" or "All you need to do is dedicate your life to Christ!"). It seems to me that your logic applies to both equally. I (along with most sensible people, I hope) would automatically recognize the British lottery scam for what it is and reject the offer. Why should an atheist, who presumably does not have the "personal relationship with Christ" that you do to inform his decision, accept this logic in the one case, when they should clearly reject it in the other?

The Atheist's better hope they are right. Believing they have no soul in an afterlife could prove devastating if they are wrong. Just like the believer, they could be wrong about this too. :sorry1:
As I mentioned before, there are plenty of religions that preach that worshippers of "false gods" will be worse off than those who worship nothing. There are also plenty of religions that preach that everyone will go to Heaven, or that there is no afterlife at all. It's by no means clear that any random theist will be better off in the hereafter than any random atheist.

It is clear, however, that the demands of religion can often be a heavy cost to bear for a person in the here-and-now. To decide that they're negligible means that you've already made up your mind that your religion is right.

In a multi-religion scenario, Pascal's Wager (i.e. the argument you're putting forward) would have us accept the religion with the best version of Heaven and the worst version of Hell, regardless of personal cost on Earth and regardless of the likelihood that it's true... and just like the "standard" Pascal's Wager, it'd be a sucker bet.

Pascal's Wager isn't really an argument for religion; it's a way for theists to thumb their nose at atheists.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
I truly feel sad for the unbelievers. They have no idea how much joy Christ brings into our lives. They have no expectation of receiving blessings or the gift of an eternal afterlife.

I truly feel sad for the believers. They have no idea how much joy the absence of delusion brings into our lives. They have no idea that this life is all we have, and we need to make the most of it now.

Peace, serenity, and abundance eludes them.

I'd be willing to bet that I have more peace and serenity than 90% of Christians, and I'm not really sure what you mean by abundance.

Like all beliefs, we could be wrong about this. There is a chance, a very small chance we could be wrong. That is why it is a belief. That small doubt is removed by a personal relationship with Christ who affects our lives on a daily basis with abundant blessings however.

Actually, I'd say given the immense variety of option on the matter, there is a very small chance you're right.

Just the same, we could be wrong about this. If we are wrong, we are no worse off. We will never know we are wrong. Can the unbeliever say this? :help:

Is that really a good reason to believe something? Just in case it's right? How about this: I like living my life not under false pretenses. I like to believe something because it is the most likely to be true, not because it's the most comforting.

The Atheist's better hope they are right. Believing they have no soul in an afterlife could prove devastating if they are wrong. Just like the believer, they could be wrong about this too. :sorry1:

Actually, I hope I'm wrong, and there is some heaven after death. If there is, I feel that I my actions in this life would warrant entry. You do realize that you can simultaneously believe something, but also hope you're wrong, right?

If three different doctors told you that you have cancer, you'd probably believe them, I assume. I also assume that you'd hope they were wrong, and you don't have cancer.
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
I truly feel sad for the unbelievers. They have no idea how much joy Christ brings into our lives.

Hey... I know that people are very happy because they believe in God and Jesus, and I think it would be fun if I believed it too; I would pray and stuff, and go to church, and be nicer... but I cannot force myself to believe stuff... Can you??
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
He has power over your life. you will die, whether you like it or not.

Your prediction is that if God exists, things will die, and if God did not exist, they would not? Why? Couldn't an all-powerful God have created life to be eternal, had he so desired?

What would a world look like that was created by God? What would a world look like that was not?

In trying to figure something out, never assume your answer, as you did.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I truly feel sad for the unbelievers. They have no idea how much joy Christ brings into our lives. They have no expectation of receiving blessings or the gift of an eternal afterlife.

Peace, serenity, and abundance eludes them.

Like all beliefs, we could be wrong about this. There is a chance, a very small chance we could be wrong. That is why it is a belief. That small doubt is removed by a personal relationship with Christ who affects our lives on a daily basis with abundant blessings however.

Just the same, we could be wrong about this. If we are wrong, we are no worse off. We will never know we are wrong. Can the unbeliever say this? :help:

The Atheist's better hope they are right. Believing they have no soul in an afterlife could prove devastating if they are wrong. Just like the believer, they could be wrong about this too. :sorry1:

*yawn* How many times do we have to debunk Pascal's wacky wager for you? Perk them ears up, boy. You're no worse off If you're wrong, you say? Do you really think the only two possibilities are Christianity vs. atheism? There are countless possibilities, like maybe another religion such as Islam or Hinduism being correct. You and I could both very well end up burning in hell together, or maybe reincarnated as pin worms or something.
Even if god were proven to be real it would only prove atheism wrong, but it wouldn't necessarily prove any religion true. In fact they could all very well be wrong still.
If there was a god I don't think he would be petty, infantile and malicious enough to create an eternal torment. God must have some serious ego problems and insecurity issues if he wants to torture people for not worshiping him.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I truly feel sad for the unbelievers. They have no idea how much joy Christ brings into our lives.
I truly feel sad for the Christians. They have no idea how much joy not believing this crap brings into our lives.
They have no expectation of receiving blessings or the gift of an eternal afterlife.
Of course, we don't think you do either.
Peace, serenity, and abundance eludes them.
How do you know? I feel pretty peaceful, serene and abundant, myself.

Like all beliefs, we could be wrong about this. There is a chance, a very small chance we could be wrong.
How small, and how do you know? Once you leave the territory of evidence, you have no way to know if you're wrong or how great is the chance that you are wrong.
That is why it is a belief. That small doubt is removed by a personal relationship with Christ who affects our lives on a daily basis with abundant blessings however.
Whatever floats your boat. I like evidence, myself.

Just the same, we could be wrong about this. If we are wrong, we are no worse off. We will never know we are wrong. Can the unbeliever say this? :help:
Sure, every Sunday morning, while I'm enjoying my coffee and the paper, and you just sacrificed your time off and 10% of your income for no reason.

The Atheist's better hope they are right. Believing they have no soul in an afterlife could prove devastating if they are wrong. Just like the believer, they could be wrong about this too. :sorry1:
You better hope you're right about which God to worship. Because if it turns out to be Allah, it could be devastating. Just like the Muslim, you could be wrong about this too.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
I truly feel sad for the unbelievers. They have no idea how much joy Christ brings into our lives. They have no expectation of receiving blessings or the gift of an eternal afterlife.

Peace, serenity, and abundance eludes them.

Like all beliefs, we could be wrong about this. There is a chance, a very small chance we could be wrong. That is why it is a belief. That small doubt is removed by a personal relationship with Christ who affects our lives on a daily basis with abundant blessings however.

Just the same, we could be wrong about this. If we are wrong, we are no worse off. We will never know we are wrong. Can the unbeliever say this? :help:

The Atheist's better hope they are right. Believing they have no soul in an afterlife could prove devastating if they are wrong. Just like the believer, they could be wrong about this too. :sorry1:

Welcome to AF, Rick!;)

What...you didn't get the memo?

:D
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
I truly feel sad for the unbelievers. They have no idea how much joy Christ brings into our lives. They have no expectation of receiving blessings or the gift of an eternal afterlife.

Peace, serenity, and abundance eludes them.

Like all beliefs, we could be wrong about this. There is a chance, a very small chance we could be wrong. That is why it is a belief. That small doubt is removed by a personal relationship with Christ who affects our lives on a daily basis with abundant blessings however.

Just the same, we could be wrong about this. If we are wrong, we are no worse off. We will never know we are wrong. Can the unbeliever say this? :help:

The Atheist's better hope they are right. Believing they have no soul in an afterlife could prove devastating if they are wrong. Just like the believer, they could be wrong about this too. :sorry1:

Funny, Atheist aren't the only unbelievers Rick. What say you about, Shinto, Paganism, Hinduism, Kemetic, The Native American religions, Taoism, Shamanism. Or any of the other Thousand of religions out there. What say you to all of us Non-Believers Rick. And if Christianity is so true and the right belief then way is there over 30,000 different types out there. And don't give they cop-out that it's human error. If your God is so great then he can cut it down to one denomination............ Even as a Theist I would still rather hang out with most of the Atheist on this site then the other Theist.
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
Funny, Atheist aren't the only unbelievers Rick. What say you about, Shinto, Paganism, Hinduism, Kemetic, The Native American religions, Taoism, Shamanism. Or any of the other Thousand of religions out there. What say you to all of us Non-Believers Rick. And if Christianity is so true and the right belief then way is there over 30,000 different types out there. And don't give they cop-out that it's human error. If your God is so great then he can cut it down to one denomination............ Even as a Theist I would still rather hang out with most of the Atheist on this site then the other Theist.

I'm the best person to hang out with. :D
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Peace, serenity, and abundance eludes them.

Like all beliefs, we could be wrong about this. There is a chance, a very small chance we could be wrong. :sorry1:

The odds you're wrong are considerably greater than you seem to realize.
 

uss_bigd

Well-Known Member
Some common sense led to athiesm:

1. Because they were able to figure out that there are "Christian" denominations just out to earn money.
2. That there are "Christian" denominations are teaching contradicting doctrines

but it does not end here....
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Some common sense led to athiesm:

1. Because they were able to figure out that there are "Christian" denominations just out to earn money.
2. That there are "Christian" denominations are teaching contradicting doctrines

but it does not end here....

All right. Now we're getting somewhere. Now, keep going:

3. So, if those Christian denominations are wrong about it, then all the others teaching the same thing are wrong.
4. It turns out Christianity is wrong, so we move on to other religions.
5. They also appear to be dogmatic outdated attempts at understanding the human condition that are only around to make people feel better and give them a purpose.
6. Most, if not all, organized religions have the idea wrong.
 

uss_bigd

Well-Known Member
All right. Now we're getting somewhere. Now, keep going:

3. So, if those Christian denominations are wrong about it, then all the others teaching the same thing are wrong.
4. It turns out Christianity is wrong, so we move on to other religions.
5. They also appear to be dogmatic outdated attempts at understanding the human condition that are only around to make people feel better and give them a purpose.
6. Most, if not all, organized religions have the idea wrong.


ooops, no sir, They are just manifistations of

Matthew 24:24.

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
ooops, no sir, They are just manifistations of

Matthew 24:24.

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

Actually, my handy-dandy book inspired by the supreme being, which I assume to be true because it says so, tells me:

"No organized religion has the right idea. You may be sure of this because I said so."

That's the passage right before:

"Mball is the awesomest person in the world. You should all listen to him. This is true because I say so."
 

uss_bigd

Well-Known Member
Actually, my handy-dandy book inspired by the supreme being, which I assume to be true because it says so, tells me:

"No organized religion has the right idea. You may be sure of this because I said so."

That's the passage right before:

"Mball is the awesomest person in the world. You should all listen to him. This is true because I say so."


Uhm, I am sorry to say this but that thinking is a manifestation of:

Proverbs 18:2 "A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself."

and:

Proverbs 18:13 "He that giveth answer before he heareth, It is folly and shame unto him"
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Uhm, I am sorry to say this but that thinking is a manifestation of:

Proverbs 18:2 "A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself."

and:

Proverbs 18:13 "He that giveth answer before he heareth, It is folly and shame unto him"

Again that contradicts my book, which says:

"True understanding can only be gained from reading this specific book and no other. All other books will only lead you away from the correct path. Don't even bother considering the others, for they are wrong. Do not even try to use your reason or logic, just follow whatever this book says. If this book does not cover your specific case, default to Mball, because he is always right. You must believe this, because it is written right here in this book."
 
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