Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[savagewind]

Brought about through feminism destroying the family and men seeing their true value in the eyes of women. Interestingly it seems, men have feelings too.

Men have always had feelings and until now men's feelings proved more valuable than woman's feelings. Now that woman are saying, "our feelings matter too", you are calling it subversive feminism. Am I misunderstanding you?

 

[savagewind]

It's there ears not mine.... ears that have no reason to accept anything that comes from my mouth. I am already decided upon.

I think forum is about changing minds and I might take a vote on whose mind needs changing here.

 

[Robert.Evans]

We are talking about abuse, not arguments. Abuse = one-sided. Arguments = two-sided. And, for the one millionth time, I agree, abuse can be both verbal and physical. But, obviously, a two-sided argument is NOT verbal abuse.

Where does it say it is only one sided? That is stupid. That means whoever starts the abuse cannot be abused by the other, according to you. Poppycock

a·buse

1. maltreatment: the physical, psychological, or sexual maltreatment of a person or animal

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

 

[Draka]

Who says we aren't talking about arguments? You? Verbal abuse can also be devastating, not just physical.

We are talking about abuse. Every mention of abuse, especially physical, seems to elicit a response from you about arguments escalating. There need be no argument at all. Do you not understand that? Abuse can happen over completely innocent things but, in the abuser's mind, they must put the smack down because, to them, something isn't exactly how they want it to be. That is a problem with the abuser...not the victim. It is certainly not mostly two-sided. It very rarely is.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I think forum is about changing minds and I might take a vote on whose mind needs changing here.

haha

 

[paarsurrey]

It is fact for the one knowing it..
ALSO
This is interesting. I have found nothing so far on our discussion:
Nearly half of all women and men in the United States have experienced psychological aggression by an intimate partner in their lifetime (48.4% and 48.8%, respectively).[vii]
1 in 4 women (24.3%) and 1 in 7 men (13.8%) aged 18 and older in the United States have been the victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[iv]
http://www.thehotline.org/resources/statistics/

Why more women suffer compared to the men in West?:
Nearly 3 in 10 women (29%) and 1 in 10 men (10%) in the US have experienced rape, physical violence and/or stalking by a partner and report a related impact on their functioning.[ii]
Nearly, 15% of women (14.8%) and 4% of men have been injured as a result of IPV that included rape, physical violence and/or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[iii]
1 in 4 women (24.3%) and 1 in 7 men (13.8%) aged 18 and older in the United States have been the victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[iv]
More than 1 in 3 women (35.6%) and more than 1 in 4 men (28.5%) in the United States have experienced rape, physical violence and/or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[vi]
Females ages 18 to 24 and 25 to 34 generally experienced the highest rates of intimate partner violence.[viii]
From 1994 to 2010, about 4 in 5 victims of intimate partner violence were female.[ix]
Most female victims of intimate partner violence were previously victimized by the same offender, including 77% of females ages 18 to 24, 76% of females ages 25 to 34, and 81% of females ages 35 to 49.[x]
http://www.thehotline.org/resources/statistics/
Why more women suffer compared to the men in West?
It is neither equality nor equitability.
Regards

 

[Robert.Evans]

When I have some time I will find the post. Do not change it with the word "sometimes". OK?
When you posted that abuse is two-sided you did not say sometimes. You posted is as though it is a fact.

I like you, you know...haha

 

[leibowde84]

Who says we aren't talking about arguments? You? Verbal abuse can also be devastating, not just physical.

ar·gu·ment
ˈärɡyəmənt/
noun
1. an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one. Arguments, I agree, are two-sided. But, you specifically used the word "abuse" ... very different term (see below).

a·buse
noun
əˈbyo͞oz/
1. a repetitive pattern of behaviors to maintain power and control over an intimate partner. These are behaviors that physically harm, arouse fear, prevent a partner from doing what they wish or force them to behave in ways they do not want. Abuse includes the use of physical and sexual violence, threats and intimidation, emotional abuse and economic deprivation. Many of these different forms of abuse can be going on at any one time.

 

[Draka]

And, usually the issue is with one party not being able to control their temper or taking out frustrations on their spouse. Thus, most situation ARE one-sided.

This. Exactly this. Overwhelmingly this.

 

[leibowde84]

Brought about through feminism destroying the family and men seeing their true value in the eyes of women. Interestingly it seems, men have feelings too.

Actually, all of this is a false assumption based on nothing more than biased speculation. If you are going to make a seemingly and profoundly outlandish claim, I would suggest backing it up with verifiable evidence. Short of that, it is nothing but an empty claim.

 

[Draka]

ar·gu·ment
ˈärɡyəmənt/
noun
1. an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one. Arguments, I agree, are one sided. But, you specifically used the word "abuse" ... very different term (see below).

a·buse
noun
əˈbyo͞oz/
1. a repetitive pattern of behaviors to maintain power and control over an intimate partner. These are behaviors that physically harm, arouse fear, prevent a partner from doing what they wish or force them to behave in ways they do not want. Abuse includes the use of physical and sexual violence, threats and intimidation, emotional abuse and economic deprivation. Many of these different forms of abuse can be going on at any one time.

Yes, abuse is most often about control. An argument is a disagreement, abuse is a wielding of power over another.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Why more women suffer compared to the men in West?:
Nearly 3 in 10 women (29%) and 1 in 10 men (10%) in the US have experienced rape, physical violence and/or stalking by a partner and report a related impact on their functioning.[ii]
Nearly, 15% of women (14.8%) and 4% of men have been injured as a result of IPV that included rape, physical violence and/or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[iii]
1 in 4 women (24.3%) and 1 in 7 men (13.8%) aged 18 and older in the United States have been the victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[iv]
More than 1 in 3 women (35.6%) and more than 1 in 4 men (28.5%) in the United States have experienced rape, physical violence and/or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[vi]
Females ages 18 to 24 and 25 to 34 generally experienced the highest rates of intimate partner violence.[viii]
From 1994 to 2010, about 4 in 5 victims of intimate partner violence were female.[ix]
Most female victims of intimate partner violence were previously victimized by the same offender, including 77% of females ages 18 to 24, 76% of females ages 25 to 34, and 81% of females ages 35 to 49.[x]
http://www.thehotline.org/resources/statistics/
Why more women suffer compared to the men in West?
It is neither equality nor equitability.
Regards

I don't really know what your point is there. But it is interesting how close some of the figures are considering we only ever hear women complaining about it and demonizing men at the same time when it turns out they are not much better. Considering the media has recently reported in the UK that women are becoming more violent, it seems those figures might close.......though I would expect men to react to that and then the violence will get worse still. We shall see.

 

[Robert.Evans]

ar·gu·ment
ˈärɡyəmənt/
noun
1. an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one. Arguments, I agree, are one sided. But, you specifically used the word "abuse" ... very different term (see below).

a·buse
noun
əˈbyo͞oz/
1. a repetitive pattern of behaviors to maintain power and control over an intimate partner. These are behaviors that physically harm, arouse fear, prevent a partner from doing what they wish or force them to behave in ways they do not want. Abuse includes the use of physical and sexual violence, threats and intimidation, emotional abuse and economic deprivation. Many of these different forms of abuse can be going on at any one time.

Your quote is from where?

"Abuse" is "maltreatment" of something or someone. You may abuse a table with a bread knife. And if one is abused, they might well in turn abuse their abuser. You are trying to use that word to make it too specific. I see that all the time. It takes us back to words like "sxism" and "racism" which is used to manipulate people.....a form of abuse. All things are race, remember

 

[paarsurrey]

As I have mentioned, my internet is poor. So I am not interested in doing your research for you. But there are other reasons too.
For one, "the west" is really vague. One could easily include everything from Czech republic to Brazil to Japan. I don't see any point to such an enormous task. For another in don't see the significance. The reasons will remain unknown. They vary hugely even here in the USA.

Haiti is a country I happen to know a little about. It has a huge problem with this. But the reasons are extremely different from the USA. It is mainly the complete lack of feminism or equality, and the government is dominated by Catholics. They have practically outlawed birth control. Poor women often have few options to support themselves, nothing like men have. So getting a "boyfriend" to help feed her and her children requires having sex. But when she gets pregnant he often ditches the family.
The problem there is largely the result of years of violence leaving relatively few eligible men, poverty, and religious prohibition on birth control. Not the same as the USA at all.
Tom

Then, why should not men start taking adopting birth control remeasure instead of the women, if later on they cannot support the mother and the child? Why should such men have sex with women?
It is neither equality not equitable, sheer cruelty. Right?
Regards

 

[Robert.Evans]

This. Exactly this. Overwhelmingly this.

And that was just one form of abuse. So? You are saying there are no others, or it must be one sided because that is what you have experienced?

 

[leibowde84]

Where does it say it is only one sided? That is stupid. That means whoever starts the abuse cannot be abused by the other, according to you. Poppycock

a·buse

1. maltreatment: the physical, psychological, or sexual maltreatment of a person or animal

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Your definition agrees with my point. There is no way to equate abuse with an argument. And, your definition points to the majority of abuse being one-sided.

 

[paarsurrey]

As I have mentioned, my internet is poor. So I am not interested in doing your research for you. But there are other reasons too.
For one, "the west" is really vague. One could easily include everything from Czech republic to Brazil to Japan. I don't see any point to such an enormous task. For another in don't see the significance. The reasons will remain unknown. They vary hugely even here in the USA.

Haiti is a country I happen to know a little about. It has a huge problem with this. But the reasons are extremely different from the USA. It is mainly the complete lack of feminism or equality, and the government is dominated by Catholics. They have practically outlawed birth control. Poor women often have few options to support themselves, nothing like men have. So getting a "boyfriend" to help feed her and her children requires having sex. But when she gets pregnant he often ditches the family.
The problem there is largely the result of years of violence leaving relatively few eligible men, poverty, and religious prohibition on birth control. Not the same as the USA at all.
Tom

One could compare figures of the US, say with Canada or Britain to start with.
Regards

 

[Robert.Evans]

Actually, all of this is a false assumption based on nothing more than biased speculation. If you are going to make a seemingly and profoundly outlandish claim, I would suggest backing it up with verifiable evidence. Short of that, it is nothing but an empty claim.

Feminist stated that they went out to destroy the family. That is their boast. Why? Because the man is the power in the family. Destroy the family, the woman is free. To do that however, she needs the vote. Then she has a job. Then she can leave. Feminism destroys the family. Period. That does not negate however, that men were not doing that good a job of valuingthem in the first place, considering they obviously had tendancies to greed

 

[paarsurrey]

Brought about through feminism destroying the family and men seeing their true value in the eyes of women. Interestingly it seems, men have feelings too.

I don't get you exactly. Please elaborate your point of view.
Regards

 

[Robert.Evans]

Yes, abuse is most often about control. An argument is a disagreement, abuse is a wielding of power over another.

An argument is a point of view that you are trying to get someone else to accept, therefore a form of control. That is why there is an argument in the first place.