Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[savagewind]

When are you going to start listening?

Maybe what you are hearing is God's voice talking to YOU.

@Robert.Evans In your opinion is it the duty of the abused spouse (male or female) to behave in a way which would command peace?

 

[leibowde84]

Madam, we can all make things worse or better, no matter what the situation is. However, it is not right to verbally or physically abuse someone.

Unless one of the partnership has issues of their own, it is usually an argument that feeds both ways and is therefore verbal and possibly ending up with physical. But it would depend on the situation. Feel free to ignore that bit.

We aren't talking about arguments, as they are present in almost every relationship. We are talking about abuse where one person takes advantage of another and uses either physical or mental manipulation to harm them. Those situations are most often one-sided, whether the party at fault is male or female.

 

[Robert.Evans]

OK. I agree. BUT you say it is not one sided. That is putting blame on the abused.

You can't agree and disagree. And i have answered it in saying that I did NOT say that. Situations are different

 

[savagewind]

Madam, we can all make things worse or better, no matter what the situation is. However, it is not right to verbally or physically abuse someone.

Unless one of the partnership has issues of their own, it is usually an argument that feeds both ways and is therefore verbal and possibly ending up with physical. But it would depend on the situation. Feel free to ignore that bit.

I did not ignore that bit. I said that BECAUSE many times the abused has nothing to do with causing the abuse you SHOULD NOT accuse any woman (or man) of causeing it. SEE? Who is not listening?

Because if you are wrong then you are breaking a command of God, which is something that I think you do not want to do. Exodus 20:16

 

[savagewind]

You can't agree and disagree. And i have answered it in saying that I did NOT say that. Situations are different

You did not start out by saying some situations do not fit your criteria. Shall I find your first post about it?

 

[Robert.Evans]

You said that most abuse situations are not one sided. That is not a claim about sex, it is a claim about abusive situations being the fault of both parties, which is not an accurate assessment. If you were trying to speak to abusers being both male and female, you did not state that.

As per normal, you have completely misunderstood and I can't bothered to explain it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

If it has nothing to do with the victim, then it is most certainly one-sided.

"If", Yes!

 

[paarsurrey]

That I'm afraid is feminism. Break up of the family. I don't recall men wanting the family to break up. This is the mess that comes after. There are always consequences. Anyway, I think most women will want to keep the children as they bond more with them. I don't think in the UK there are many fathers that do not help in some way, they have to.
I suppose some men will not bother, however, once they realise that women do not give two figs about them. Ahhh...... the modern world!

Friend!
I don't agree with one here. There is no break-up of the family, men and women in this case have children out of wedlock, that is being discussed here. The men in the West know that "most women will want to keep the children as they bond more with them", so they enjoy sex with them and then leave the women to take care of the child. Then the woman and the child suffer. Don't they?
This is clear injustice, inequality, inequtability and cruelty on the part of men in the West.
Regards

 

[Robert.Evans]

Do we not all hear you saying that abuse is TWO SIDED? What else can two sided mean?

It can be both. Is abuse a scientific method or something? You hear what you want to hear.

 

[Robert.Evans]

We aren't talking about arguments, as they are present in almost every relationship. We are talking about abuse where one person takes advantage of another and uses either physical or mental manipulation to harm them. Those situations are most often one-sided, whether the party at fault is male or female.

Who says we aren't talking about arguments? You? Verbal abuse can also be devastating, not just physical.

 

[leibowde84]

"If", Yes!

And, usually the issue is with one party not being able to control their temper or taking out frustrations on their spouse. Thus, most situation ARE one-sided.

 

[savagewind]

It can be both. Is abuse a scientific method or something? You hear what you want to hear.

Three women on the forum have been abused and are hearing you say, "take some fault for it". Is that what women want to hear? No!

 

[leibowde84]

Who says we aren't talking about arguments? You? Verbal abuse can also be devastating, not just physical.

We are talking about abuse, not arguments. Abuse = one-sided. Arguments = two-sided. And, for the one millionth time, I agree, abuse can be both verbal and physical. But, obviously, a two-sided argument is NOT verbal abuse.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I did not ignore that bit. I said that BECAUSE many times the abused has nothing to do with causing the abuse you SHOULD NOT accuse any woman (or man) of causeing it. SEE? Who is not listening?

Because if you are wrong then you are breaking a command of God, which is something that I think you do not want to do. Exodus 20:16

I am not wrong, but as ever, misunderstood. The "feel free to ignore" was the last line only. Perhaps I should have put it in brackets then you might have understood better.

When did I accuse a woman of causing the abuse?

 

[Robert.Evans]

You did not start out by saying some situations do not fit your criteria. Shall I find your first post about it?

Go ahead...you know you want to

 

[savagewind]

I am not wrong, but as ever, misunderstood. The "feel free to ignore" was the last line only. Perhaps I should have put it in brackets then you might have understood better.

When did I accuse a woman of causing the abuse?

When I have some time I will find the post. Do not change it with the word "sometimes". OK?
When you posted that abuse is two-sided you did not say sometimes. You posted is as though it is a fact.

 

[columbus]

Friend! One is welcome to provide figures of the other countries in the West, in this connection, for comparison. Right?
Regards

As I have mentioned, my internet is poor. So I am not interested in doing your research for you. But there are other reasons too.
For one, "the west" is really vague. One could easily include everything from Czech republic to Brazil to Japan. I don't see any point to such an enormous task. For another in don't see the significance. The reasons will remain unknown. They vary hugely even here in the USA.

Haiti is a country I happen to know a little about. It has a huge problem with this. But the reasons are extremely different from the USA. It is mainly the complete lack of feminism or equality, and the government is dominated by Catholics. They have practically outlawed birth control. Poor women often have few options to support themselves, nothing like men have. So getting a "boyfriend" to help feed her and her children requires having sex. But when she gets pregnant he often ditches the family.
The problem there is largely the result of years of violence leaving relatively few eligible men, poverty, and religious prohibition on birth control. Not the same as the USA at all.
Tom

 

[Robert.Evans]

Friend!
I don't agree with one here. There is no break-up of the family, men and women in this case have children out of wedlock, that is being discussed here. The men in the West know that "most women will want to keep the children as they bond more with them", so they enjoy sex with them and then leave the women to take care of the child. Then the woman and the child suffer. Don't they?
This is clear injustice, inequality, inequtability and cruelty on the part of men in the West.
Regards

Brought about through feminism destroying the family and men seeing their true value in the eyes of women. Interestingly it seems, men have feelings too.

 

[Robert.Evans]

And, usually the issue is with one party not being able to control their temper or taking out frustrations on their spouse. Thus, most situation ARE one-sided.

Figures, source, link?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Three women on the forum have been abused and are hearing you say, "take some fault for it". Is that what women want to hear? No!

It's there ears not mine.... ears that have no reason to accept anything that comes from my mouth. I am already decided upon.