Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[Robert.Evans]

By necessity, for you, it is a belief until verified. It is what the word "belief" means, as opposed to "fact".

It is fact for the one knowing it..

ALSO

This is interesting. I have found nothing so far on our discussion:

Nearly half of all women and men in the United States have experienced psychological aggression by an intimate partner in their lifetime (48.4% and 48.8%, respectively).[vii]

1 in 4 women (24.3%) and 1 in 7 men (13.8%) aged 18 and older in the United States have been the victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime.[iv]
http://www.thehotline.org/resources/statistics/

 

[Robert.Evans]

Where did you get that from? I never said that the woman couldn't be the abuser. That is nothing but a straw man. You said that it was most often not one-sided. I agree that men and women both have the capacity for abuse.

Go back to the post and see what I meant.

 

[savagewind]

@Draka said
There are exceptions however.

Applause. When you say to a woman on the internet, "your abuse was brought on", you are accusing a (probably) innocent woman. Please see God's written commandment number nine. Exodus 20:16 OK?

The fact that there are "exceptions" should teach you to stop saying that a woman should share the fault for her abuse.

 

[savagewind]

Of course it might be a man that might be abused, even violently, by a woman, his wife. But no doubt we won't bother about that scenario.

Why not? When a man is abused by a woman does he share the fault?

 

[paarsurrey]

According to census.gov:
An estimated 13.7 million parents had custody of 22.0 million children under 21 years of age while the other parent lived somewhere else.
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About 1 in 6 custodial parents were fathers (17.8 percent).
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More than one-quarter (26.2 percent) of all children under 21 years of age in families lived with only one of their parents. About half (49.2 percent) of all Black children lived in custodial-parent families.
According to fatherhood.gov:
2.0 million: Number of single fathers in 2013; 17 percent of custodial single parents were men.

• 9 percent were raising three or more children younger than 18.
• About 44 percent were divorced, 33 percent were never married, 19 percent were separated, and 4.2 percent were widowed.

Thanks for providing the data.
Are the men of whom "33 percent were never married" rearing their own children from women partners who left them in care of their men partners?
Regards
P.S. One may like to read my Post #355

Regards

 

[Robert.Evans]

Applause. When you say to a woman on the internet, "your abuse was brought on", you are accusing a (probably) innocent woman. Please see God's written commandment number nine. Exodus 20:16 OK?

The fact that there are "exceptions" should teach you to stop saying that a woman should share the fault for her abuse.

I never said that though did I. That is what a lot of women read in. Defence mode kicks in too much imo. Provacation must be involved, even if it is only interal within the perpetrator and is nothing to do with the victim.

 

[savagewind]

In a situation where the abuse is caused by alcohol, drugs or mental disease (at least one of these usually being the case, I think), tell us, how is that abuse the abused one's fault? We are all ears.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Why not? When a man is abused by a woman does he share the fault?

It would depend on the situation, wouldn't it? Or are there rules for abuse?!

 

[savagewind]

I never said that though did I. That is what a lot of women read in. Defence mode kicks in too much imo. Provacation must be involved, even if it is only interal within the perpetrator and is nothing to do with the victim.

OK. I agree. BUT you say it is not one sided. That is putting blame on the abused.

 

[paarsurrey]

I'm not sure why you are attributing this to equality.
It is also important to point out that your figures are for the USA. "The west" includes lots of other places. I suspect the numbers are different in Sweden. The USA is an unusual combination of personal freedom and religion.
Tom

Friend! One is welcome to provide figures of the other countries in the West, in this connection, for comparison. Right?
Regards

 

[savagewind]

It would depend on the situation, wouldn't it? Or are there rules for abuse?!

Please proof read your posts. If EVERYONE reads Robert saying, "the abused should share fault with the abuser", then maybe you should not post about such things.

 

[paarsurrey]

How do you figure that is done in the name of equality? It makes no sense.
Also, fathers didn't start leaving mothers when employment for women became more abundant.

Don't they believe in equality of men and the women instead of the more appropriate equitability?
Regards

 

[savagewind]

@Robert.Evans In your opinion is it the duty of the abused spouse (male or female) to behave in a way which would command peace?

 

[Robert.Evans]

In a situation where the abuse is caused by alcohol, drugs or mental disease (at least one of these usually being the case, I think), tell us, how is that abuse the abused one's fault? We are all ears.

When are you going to start listening?

 

[leibowde84]

Go back to the post and see what I meant.

You said that most abuse situations are not one sided. That is not a claim about sex, it is a claim about abusive situations being the fault of both parties, which is not an accurate assessment. If you were trying to speak to abusers being both male and female, you did not state that.

 

[leibowde84]

I never said that though did I. That is what a lot of women read in. Defence mode kicks in too much imo. Provacation must be involved, even if it is only interal within the perpetrator and is nothing to do with the victim.

If it has nothing to do with the victim, then it is most certainly one-sided.

 

[savagewind]

When are you going to start listening?

Do we not all hear you saying that abuse is TWO SIDED? What else can two sided mean?

 

[leibowde84]

When are you going to start listening?

We all have been listening. You are merely back-tracking on your comments about abuse being most often not one sided.

 

[savagewind]

If it has nothing to do with the victim, then it is most certainly one-sided.

Very good. Sometimes the simplest things are the hardest to grasp.

 

[Robert.Evans]

@Robert.Evans In your opinion is it the duty of the abused spouse (male or female) to behave in a way which would command peace?

Madam, we can all make things worse or better, no matter what the situation is. However, it is not right to verbally or physically abuse someone.

Unless one of the partnership has issues of their own, it is usually an argument that feeds both ways and is therefore verbal and possibly ending up with physical. But it would depend on the situation. Feel free to ignore that bit.