Is Homosexuality a illness? And how to heal?

[philbo]

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in parentis loco means that parents have a right to take control of your life, even if you are not the actual biological parents but can assert in parentis loco.

it is a legal term, if you can find it in blackwell's.

er.. I can't find it in Blackwell's: http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/search?query=in+parentis+loco

Do you have a reference? Searching Blackwell's doesn't seem to return anything, and google nothing of any use. But you seem so positive, it must be based on something, surely? Just checking this isn't another thing you're so sure about that has no supporting evidence.

As a phrase "in parentis loco" is bad Latin grammar; "in loco parentis" literally means "in place of parents", but that's not in Blackwell's as a (publicly-searchable) phrase, either. However, the whole meaning of the phrase is about people who are acting as parents who aren't, so I very much doubt it has anything to do with what control actual parents have under law.

 

[chevron1]

Here why don't you read the actual article. Not some opinion piece.

you have to read a little between the lines. the mom did not want her son to date a prince. that's also said at the top of the article. i guess the only way we can agree is to disagree b/c daniel is gay and they don't want a gay son. the mom said so, so hes conditioned to see himself as transgender.

she wanted to read Cinderella, so we were reading Cinderella and at the end of the story she told me that she was gonna grow up and marry herself a handsome prince. We tried to convince her that she was gonna grow up and marry a princess and she was adamant that no, she was going to marry a prince.

Dr. Margaret Moon in Sex-changing Treatment For Kids: It's On The Rise :

Some kids may get a psychiatric diagnosis when they are just hugely uncomfortable with narrowly defined gender roles; or some may be gay and are coerced into treatment by parents more comfortable with a sex change than having a homosexual child, said Moon, who teaches at the Johns Hopkins Berman Institute of Bioethics.

 

[chevron1]

er.. I can't find it in Blackwell's:
Do you have a reference? Searching Blackwell's doesn't seem to return anything, .

From Blacks Law Dictionary (black, blackwell, who can remember these things):

http://thelawdictionary.org/in-loco-parentis/

 

[The Hammer]

you have to read a little between the lines. the mom did not want her son to date a prince. that's also said at the top of the article. i guess the only way we can agree is to disagree b/c daniel is gay and they don't want a gay son. the mom said so, so hes conditioned to see himself as transgender.




Dr. Margaret Moon in Sex-changing Treatment For Kids: It's On The Rise :

Reading between the lines isn't reading the article, it's making assumptions. She was taken aback by her son's refusal to marry a princess, and decided to let it play out and see what would come of it, hoping that it was a phase. But then Daniel started saying things like "I don't want to live like this anymore". And as stated by the mother.

" Leah was full of angst. She didn’t want to be one of those parents who ignored her child’s pleas only to end up with a kid who turns 16 and says, “ ‘OK, I’m done, I want to die,’ ” said Leah, “I don’t want that.” "

As for whether or not sex change is on the rise for kids, it's because of how much publicity it is getting, people are being more accepting and generally more understanding of the situation. It is proven that transitioning as a child if it is deemed appropriate by doctors, is the best outcome, because it allows one the healthiest life as their appropriate gender.

 

[The Hammer]

Dr. Margaret Moon in Sex-changing Treatment For Kids: It's On The Rise :

As for your quoted line here, it is cautioned that those are the things that need to looked in to/out for. There are always going to be drawbacks to things normalizing, which is why parents, children and therapists alike, need to work together to figure out what is really going on, and why a licensed social worker should be brought in to assist in any transition case with someone younger then 18.

 

[philbo]

Actually it is, it just isn't common.
If a kids parents get killed in a car wreck the court will appoint someone to represent them legally. Usually a family member, they are not taking full responsibility or getting custody. Just acting as parents temporarily while things get sorted.
Tom

I guess I'm not entirely surprised it has a legal definition; if you grow up with a phrase that's in general usage, you tend not to think of it as being a legal term.

From Blacks Law Dictionary (black, blackwell, who can remember these things):

http://thelawdictionary.org/in-loco-parentis/

Can't help but wonder.. did you read what you linked to? Because it's saying exactly what I said "in loco parentis" (and in its grammatically correct form) meant: in place of a parent, i.e. it's the responsibility that non-parents take on. Which is explicitly not what you were claiming it was, something giving parents absolute rights over their child.

 

[chevron1]

it's the responsibility that non-parents take on. Which is explicitly not what you were claiming it was, something giving parents absolute rights over their child.

no i meant that parents give others the right to hurt their children to turn hetero.

 

[JoStories]

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in parentis loco means that parents have a right to take control of your life, even if you are not the actual biological parents but can assert in parentis loco.

it is a legal term, if you can find it in blackwell's.

Why would that parent do such a thing? Did you not raise your children and don't you trust them? I was fortunate enough to have parents that trusted me. They would never have done what you suggest. To think that a parent would, at least for me, is just unthinkable and only about ultimate control. I can;t imagine it,

 

[JoStories]

what are you talking about? do you think that a parent who is homophobic would not move the earth to transform their child into a hetero child?

I would hope not. Why not accept that child as who and what they are? Are some people so callous they would enforce such a change on their own child? I just cannot fathom that.

 

[chevron1]

Why would that parent do such a thing? Did you not raise your children and don't you trust them? I was fortunate enough to have parents that trusted me. They would never have done what you suggest. To think that a parent would, at least for me, is just unthinkable and only about ultimate control. I can;t imagine it,

this is jessica dutro. she killed her 4 year old son because she THOUGHT he was gay. she's the kind of parent who would take advantage of in parentis loco to hurt her son and turn him trans.

 

[JoStories]

this is jessica dutro. she killed her 4 year old son because she THOUGHT he was gay. she's the kind of parent who would take advantage of in parentis loco to hurt her son and turn him trans.

Your arguments seem based on tabloid fodder. I personally would never read those rags, never mind use them to defend my position. One sick woman who was/is a murderer does not support your case. It simply proves that there are some seriously sick people out there. And this woman should be the poster child for support of abortion. At least if she had had one, that sweet child would not have had to endure her stupidness.

 

[philbo]

no i meant that parents give others the right to hurt their children to turn hetero.

I realize you meant that, but you have asserted with absolute conviction something which turned out not to be true. You even linked to something to support your contention which didnt, in fact it was basically my definition (the one you were arguing against, remember?)

I realize this isn't a critical part of the wider argument you're trying to make, but I do see it as symptomatic of the way you're trying to argue: there's a lot you really don't understand here, and you keep asserting stuff that is just plain wrong, and even providing links that contradict your own assertions. If you can be so confidently wrong on such a simple definition, are you really sure that you're correct anywhere else in this thread?

 

[chevron1]

If you can be so confidently wrong on such a simple definition, are you really sure that you're correct anywhere else in this thread?

if you are spending this time talking to me online then i must be onto something, mustn't i? if so, then i hope you spread the news that something is so wrong with the world that you had to spend any time online with me.

 

[ether-ore]

It's sad that you would so callously make a mockery of such a life. He was screwed at birth by a doctor who thought wrong, his parents were horribly misguided, and his life ended in suicide. It was believed he could be raised as a girl, and would accept being female, but he didn't.
And the way you have been using Baphoment, I doubt you realize the symbols true meaning.

If you have a sex addiction, then why would you tell me that homosexuality is a "trap?" Most people do not have a sex addiction, and to them it is not like a crack addiction. And just because you have a sex addiction doesn't mean others are always on the prowl.
And you told me that I was the one looking at things with the wrong perspective.

You are putting your twist on what I said. I said that during the course of my own pornography addiction and because of it, I came into close proximity with many homosexuals and as a consequence experienced being constantly hit on by them. This was in the days before the internet, when to satiate my own addiction the only place to do that was in adult book stores and video arcades. These places were hangouts for homosexuals as well as people like myself.

 

[philbo]

if you are spending this time talking to me online then i must be onto something, mustn't i? if so, then i hope you spread the news that something is so wrong with the world that you had to spend any time online with me.

Because people are spending the time telling you you're talking rubbish & you don't know what you're talking about, you think therefore you must be onto something? Really???

..and if everyone ignored the drivel, presumably you'd then think that nobody disagreed and so you must be right.

 

[chevron1]

..and if everyone ignored the drivel, presumably you'd then think that nobody disagreed and so you must be right.

that is correct. if no one disagrees, then you are telling me what i'm saying is fine for you and everyone else.

 

[sojourner]

in trans-gay therapy, the high concentration estrogen is injected straight into the brain. the mental effect is almost immediate. ask a transition doctor. sometimes they do this for trans who suffer gender dysphoria.

Wait! I thought yo said it was in the Kool-Aid. Do they inject Kool-Aid into the brain?

 

[sojourner]

what are you talking about? do you think that a parent who is homophobic would not move the earth to transform their child into a hetero child?

I think that most homophobic parents use "normal" as a justification for their homophobia. And transforming one's biologically-male child into a female isn't "normal," because it's not "how God made them." Your argument simply doesn't make sense.

 

[sojourner]

if you are spending this time talking to me online then i must be onto something, mustn't i? if so, then i hope you spread the news that something is so wrong with the world that you had to spend any time online with me.

What's wrong with the world is spreading misinformation about a minority group who historically has no voice and no power.

 

[chevron1]

I think that most homophobic parents use "normal" as a justification for their homophobia. And transforming one's biologically-male child into a female isn't "normal," because it's not "how God made them." Your argument simply doesn't make sense.

Here's how it is supposed to work according to someone who knows:

The theory is that it [estrogen injected the brain] 'resets' the brain. As embryos we all start put as female, that's the default and it's hormones that make us male in utero. By binding the sex and pleasure center gers of the brain it makes a gay man a eunuch and then a woman and then man again in the hopes that he will now be a straight man.