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[Revoltingest]

You don't know that about me, at all.

I'm not remotely pro Trump.

Some of the policies he put forth are sound ideas, generally badly implemented.

The news n views I read are from left and right.
You? Left news- Every mention of irregularity
leads off with " unevidenc'ed", notwithstanding that there was no investigation.

Every r wing story listed quite a number of
significant irregularities.

Who is a poor girl to believe?

I kind of think the conscientious honesty was
lacking all around. You can't state with any honesty that "mainstream" media is uniformly
biased against Trump. The MAGA kids illustrated well the depth of it.

With that background it is something other
knuckle dragger fanaticism to the question about legitimacy of the vote.

I don't have a "side" other than I see
a lot of unbalanced-to-unhinged
American politics, and nobody on either side seems to see themselves for what they are.

Sad to say, that includes you, caught up
in the witch burning mob.

What I find most convincing of a fair election is evidence
supplied by Trump's minions, ie, their dozens of attempts
in court to show fraud working against Trump. Their utter
failure, even in front of Republican appointed judges, is
damning.
Secondarily, Trump had a narrow EC victory in 2016, &
actually lost by the popular vote measure. This was
against Hillary, a candidate even less inspiring than Biden.
Since then, he's managed to alienate more people in the
middle, & even Republicans. His base is fired up, but one
doesn't win elections by ignoring swing votes. So I knew
Biden would win...a very rare prediction from me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Which side do you see as being marginalized. Care to give some evidence to support your position?



Do you really think tweeters and bloggers and Facebook posters would respect the fairness doctrine. The fairness doctrine worked somewhat when there were three networks. Your views have been long outdated by technology.

Well all one has to do is look at states like New York and California. The poster states of marginalization.

Frankly the Fairness Doctrine is needed now more than ever. I'm not talking about individuals here, I'm talking about major sources of news and information that the general public relies on.

 

[Audie]

What I find most convincing of a fair election is evidence
supplied by Trump's minions, ie, their dozens of attempts
in court to show fraud working against Trump. Their utter
failure, even in front of Republican appointed judges, is
damning.
Secondarily, Trump had a narrow EC victory in 2016, &
actually lost by the popular vote measure. This was
against Hillary, a candidate even less inspiring than Biden.
Since then, he's managed to alienate more people in the
middle, & even Republicans. His base is fired up, but one
doesn't win elections by ignoring swing votes. So I knew
Biden would win...a very rare prediction from me.

I think it is stone obvious he lost.

Those who distrust " msinstream",
a not unjustified feeling, turn to sources
that explain in great detail how Trump
won.

 

[Audie]

You are sounding more and more like a creationist here. I have looked into this. That was why I gave you a challenge. I am not going to make possible strawman claims for what others believe. The election was open and fair. One of Trump's own men said that it was the (the following is a paraphrase) 'most secure election ever'. He was fired for making that claim.

You challenge me to look up and post what you can do for yourself if you are interested in
how your countrymen feel or think?

And you've the nerve to compare me to
creationist because I don't care to indulge you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you suggesting there was not a full, fair, and accurate vote count?

How many recounts and audits did Georgia alone have?

 

[SomeRandom]

I think it is stone obvious he lost.

Those who distrust " msinstream",
a not unjustified feeling, turn to sources
that explain in great detail how Trump
won.

I think this is why I both feel angered but still have a modicum of sympathy for those in the “Trump cult.”
And it is a cult, he has been known as a cult of personality for years at this point.

Like I can understand feeling dejected that your side lost an election. I can even understand if one seeks out comfort at first. Something to that tells you what you want to hear. But indulging in that, allowing media to indulge that is dangerous. Echo chambers only allow for radicalisation. For either side doesn’t matter.
Anger can be very intoxicating. And that’s why there’s been this recent “purge” online. Granted it was likely done for selfish reasons of the platform owners. Because they could have likely avoided this all in the first place. But whatever.

Can America heal? What are the implications for the rest of us if they can’t? I don’t know if I wish to find out.
It’s all so tiresome and a bit weird to witness, if I’m honest

 

[Subduction Zone]

You challenge me to look up and post what you can do for yourself if you are interested in
how your countrymen feel or think?

And you've the nerve to compare me to
creationist because I don't care to indulge you.

Once again you are being like a creationist when he claims that there are flaws in the theory of evolution. You tried to claim that there was something wrong with the election. I have looked it up. I could not find any flaws. I could only find false and refuted claims of flaws by Trump supporters. I seriously do not believe that such flaws exist so how am I supposed to find them?

EDIT: Here is how you are arguing:

Creationist: There are serious flaws in the theory of evolution.

Scientist: Really? What are they?

Creationist: If you truly were interested you would already know about these flaws.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How many recounts and audits did Georgia alone have?

At least two and then an audit of the mail in ballot envelopes.

 

[Audie]

Once again you are being like a creationist when he claims that there are flaws in the theory of evolution. You tried to claim that there was something wrong with the election. I have looked it up. I could not find any flaws. I could only find false and refuted claims of flaws by Trump supporters. I seriously do not believe that such flaws exist so how am I supposed to find them?

EDIT: Here is how you are arguing:

Creationist: There are serious flaws in the theory of evolution.

Scientist: Really? What are they?

Creationist: If you truly were interested you would already know about these flaws.

"If I doubt, how can I find" is perfect creo-talk.

Of coursevthere were flaws. Impossible not to have any.
Significant ones, worthy of a fuss?
Vanishingly small chance.
Did I say you should look for flaws? I suggested you look to learn what your fellow Americans believe.
Also creo- like is you making things up
about what I said.
This is crap. Stop it.

 

[Audie]

I think this is why I both feel angered but still have a modicum of sympathy for those in the “Trump cult.”
And it is a cult, he has been known as a cult of personality for years at this point.

Like I can understand feeling dejected that your side lost an election. I can even understand if one seeks out comfort at first. Something to that tells you what you want to hear. But indulging in that, allowing media to indulge that is dangerous. Echo chambers only allow for radicalisation. For either side doesn’t matter.
Anger can be very intoxicating. And that’s why there’s been this recent “purge” online. Granted it was likely done for selfish reasons of the platform owners. Because they could have likely avoided this all in the first place. But whatever.

Can America heal? What are the implications for the rest of us if they can’t? I don’t know if I wish to find out.
It’s all so tiresome and a bit weird to witness, if I’m honest

I've listened to like Hannity for what I'd call
cultural anthropology reasons- like reading
huffpo, for the loony left.

The other day I was listening to a right-wing
podcast and the dispassionate anthropologist
guise just dissolved, I was physically nauseous.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"If I doubt, how can I find" is perfect creo-talk.

Of coursevthere were flaws. Impossible not to have any.
Significant ones, worthy of a fuss?
Vanishingly small chance.
Did I say you should look for flaws? I suggested you look to learn what your fellow Americans believe.
Also creo- like is you making things up
about what I said.
This is crap. Stop it.

Wrong again. You are making a claim that something exists. The burden of proof is upon you. And now you are using a second strawman. No one said that there was no cheating whatsoever. There was some very minor cheating. Some of it was caught. Some probably got through. But they were on the order of one or two votes. Cheating would have to be on the order of tens of thousands of votes. That tends to leave evidence. Just as a global flood would leave evidence. No evidence of massive cheating has been found and no evidence of a global flood exists.

Come on Audie. Your claim, your burden of proof. All I can do is to forward articles that say "No evidence of systematic cheating".

 

[SomeRandom]

I've listened to like Hannity for what I'd call
cultural anthropology reasons- like reading
huffpo, for the loony left.

The other day I was listening to a right-wing
podcast and the dispassionate anthropologist
guise just dissolved, I was physically nauseous.

Yeah I have developed a rather morbid curiosity regarding the “MAGA types.”
Lately though all pretences have gone and it’s pretty yikes-y, ngl

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah I have developed a rather morbid curiosity regarding the “MAGA types.”
Lately though all pretences have gone and it’s pretty yikes-y, ngl

Years ago he was not that bad when it was the Hannity and Colmes show. Colmes kept him from going off into lala land. Since the split between them he has gone further and further off the deep end. I quit listening to him quite a few years ago.

 

[Audie]

Wrong again. You are making a claim that something exists. The burden of proof is upon you. And now you are using a second strawman. No one said that there was no cheating whatsoever. There was some very minor cheating. Some of it was caught. Some probably got through. But they were on the order of one or two votes. Cheating would have to be on the order of tens of thousands of votes. That tends to leave evidence. Just as a global flood would leave evidence. No evidence of massive cheating has been found and no evidence of a global flood exists.

Come on Audie. Your claim, your burden of proof. All I can do is to forward articles that say "No evidence of systematic cheating".

Now you are arguing with a different wording for what I said and completely missing the point.
Proof that right wingsources list a lot of what they call
evidence? Ha. If you give a flip what your fellow citizens vase their
beliefs on, go look. I ain't holding your hand. Your voluntary not mine.
Like I said, why should I care.

Fuhgeddsbowdit.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I suggested you look to learn what your fellow Americans believe.

A lot of Americans believe in bigfoot, that Elvis is still alive, vaccines cause autism, and the Earth is 6,000 years old, and that a clandestine group of Satan worshipping pedophiles are running the state. The believe shows like American Idol feature good talent, that the Kardashians are important, amd they shouldn't have to give up driving when should they no longer be able to safely do so.
I wouldn't use what American's believe as a standard of measurement. The anti-intellectual cretins often believe they can defeat any argument by asking "do you believe everything you read in a book?" Many of them even believe America is the only country with freedoms.

 

[Revoltingest]

A lot of Americans believe in bigfoot, that Elvis is still alive, vaccines cause autism, and the Earth is 6,000 years old, and that a clandestine group of Satan worshipping pedophiles are running the state. The believe shows like American Idol feature good talent, that the Kardashians are important, amd they shouldn't have to give up driving when should they no longer be able to safely do so.
I wouldn't use what American's believe as a standard of measurement. The anti-intellectual cretins often believe they can defeat any argument by asking "do you believe everything you read in a book?" Many of them even believe America is the only country with freedoms.

It's even worse than that...
They also believe the MIC sends us to war, that the oligarchy
runs the country, that democracy is dead, that socialism should
to replace capitalism, that we have unfettered capitalism, that
somebody else built your business for you, & that "awomen"
should accompany "amen".

 

[ecco]

Which side do you see as being marginalized. Care to give some evidence to support your position?

Well all one has to do is look at states like New York and California. The poster states of marginalization.

So, once again, assertions with nothing to support them; AKA your opinion.

Frankly the Fairness Doctrine is needed now more than ever. I'm not talking about individuals here, I'm talking about major sources of news and information that the general public relies on.

Why do you continue to ignore the fact that, for many people on the right, Facebook and Twitter, etc are their major source of news and information? How do you think "Obama lies, Grandma dies" gained traction? Facebook! How do you think "Obama is setting up for a third term" gained traction? Facebook.


Also, how would you implement the Fairness Doctrine? If Fox and friends posts and parrots Trump's lies, what would they need to do in Fairness? Post his truths? Laughable.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

that
somebody else built your business for you

Bill Gates started Microsoft, but his employees that helped build it up. It was construction workers who built the building Microsoft would use.
There is no such thing as a self made man, no one is an island, and it's against our nature as social animals for one person to do it all.

 

[Revoltingest]

Bill Gates started Microsoft, but his employees that helped build it up. It was construction workers who built the building Microsoft would use.
There is no such thing as a self made man, no one is an island, and it's against our nature as social animals for one person to do it all.

And that's the attitude Obama wanted to instill...the notion
that those who have...those who build...didn't do anything.
He makes people feel entitled to the wealth of others. Tis not
enuf that they got paid for their work....they want more. Obama
sets the stage for higher taxes...wealth confiscation.

Also, Obama uses the straw man. He lies about what we believe.
We don't deny hiring workers & suppliers to build our business.
It's never been the issue.
He seeks to kill the idea that anyone accomplished something,
cuz success can be attributed to government & workers instead.
Entrepreneurs are unnecessary...undeserving...they take without
working, without risk, without any more intelligence than the
average guy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And that's the attitude Obama wanted to instill...the notion
that those who have...those who build...didn't do anything.

He was highlighting how it's a larger effort that one person. Apple couldn't have grown to be as big as it is if Steven Jobs did it all on his own.
Amd that mentality has been around since at least ancient Greece, were the attitude was the wealthy achieved their status because the conditions of the city made it possible, and not only did they pay their taxes they eagerly did so and often paid more than what was asked of them.