Desert Snake
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What is your opinion on the OT? How much emphasis do you place on it?
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Your opinion on the OT
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
Yea...I read it.
It goes from one extreme to the other.
The introduction of Genesis is more realistic than most people think.
But the long standing dogma of religion has so many people running in so many directions...no consensus seems possible.
The rest of it, as a collection of record keeping....poetry....and philosophy...
is all fine and good.
But doesn't really help developing a notion of what God is about.
It goes from one extreme to the other.
The introduction of Genesis is more realistic than most people think.
But the long standing dogma of religion has so many people running in so many directions...no consensus seems possible.
The rest of it, as a collection of record keeping....poetry....and philosophy...
is all fine and good.
But doesn't really help developing a notion of what God is about.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
The Old Testament, like other ancient religious texts, was written at a time when books were as rare as diamonds. As such, it served many functions. It gave a parable of origin, it gave a code of laws and recommendations and it gave safe dietary advice at a time when trichinosis and other diseases could be lethal in a hostile environment.
At a time when there were no schools and most life lessons were passed orally, it was a source of knowledge. It should be respected and learned from, but it shouldn't be taken literally.
At a time when there were no schools and most life lessons were passed orally, it was a source of knowledge. It should be respected and learned from, but it shouldn't be taken literally.
Heb 10:7 Then I said, 'Look! In the scroll of the book it is written about me. I have come to do your will.'"
He never was here literally ?
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Hmmmm, in my Bible Hebrews is in the New Testament. What Bible do you use?
The one where the scroll is in the "old testament"
I believe there was no, "new testament" when he walked the earth.
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Hope
Princesinha
I believe the OT is integral to understanding the NT, and vice versa. Both are the inspired Word of God. And so, as such, I place plenty of emphasis on it.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
A simple question: Is your quote from the New Testament or the Old Testament? --
A clear, honest answer would generate respect. An obfuscating answer, not so much.
I do not demand respect.
I do not play the role of priests/pastors etc.
if you can not reason the deeper meaning of scripture I would kindly suggest you refrain from attacking me and rather not respond to my posting.
Shalom.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
No attack was intended, just a question, but I'll take your advice and refrain from addressing both you and your posts from now on. Shalom.
Pastek
Sunni muslim
I didn't read it enterly but i found it clear. What did you expect ?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Reading the whole of the text is a task.
Clarity was not the character of the writing.
So....not having read the whole of the text for yourself...
what point of clarity did you discover?
Pastek
Sunni muslim
Well, that God is the creator of the universe, He created us
He can interven, help, punish, talk to people
I mean, He's God
I didn't found God in the OT very different from the Quran. Of course i'm not ok with some things but it's Him
So, that's why I don't understand you when you say " doesn't really help developing a notion of what God is about."
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
It is just as important to a christian as the Greek scriptures are because it is the foundation of our faith.
We put a lot of emphasis on it.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I gave up dogmatic faith a long time ago....
in favor of faith based upon reasoning.
I believe in God, but not because the prophets have told me to.
The bible is filled experiences that previous generations held as true.
And here at the forum you will see an abundance of argument not to believe such things.
Not that I favor such denial....
If it is true that Moses stood in the presence of God and then led him about....
who am I? to say...'nay'.
But I cannot affirm the event....nor will I make argument against it.
In fact I discuss Moses as realistically as I can.
I expect to meet him ...later on.
I treat all of the bible as if it is true.
I do this because the people of the bible have gone before me.
They hold position in heaven according to their play in faith.
If I am to stand with them, I should do likewise.
Pastek
Sunni muslim
Ok, so you are saying that you believe in God, but not sure about the events in the Bible.
Right ?
You believe that He is different than the description in the OT ?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
As the text has been written by the hand of Man....
influence of their perspective is unavoidable.
Moses might ask....'What am I made of?
I am not carved of wood, chiseled of stone, nor cast of metal....what is Man made of?'
And God would say....'Dust.'
That any man might ask, doesn't indicate he would understand the answer...though the answer sounds simple enough.
Say now to Moses..'evolution'...and he would make denial, having heard from God another explanation.
(I have a means to reconcile creation and evolution)
So the text Moses wrote has limits. Those limits were known to God.
In the knowing, God gave to such prophets only that which they were able to carry.
The text would have been written quite differently, had Moses been told
what he could not give to others.
What if Moses had been told....
'The lights above your head are not candles held steadfast by angels.
They are instead huge balls of flaming gas set afire by fusion.'
The mere mention of such things Moses would not understand.
To educate him to such understanding would have taken far more than forty days and nights.
And then to bring such advanced knowledge down the mountain and render it unto a wandering nation?
The story of Adam and Eve was almost too much as is.....
at the time when Moses lived.
And for some participants here...it still is!
Pastek
Sunni muslim
Well, i agree with you
You talked many times about Moses, as it seems you maybe believe in him.
So, you believe in the same God as Moses ? You define yourself as just a believer or jewish or christian ?