Woke trek

[sun rise]

Live Long and be a good socialist
To boldly go where no gender-neutral creature has gone before
Green lives matter

Fox News is wrong, Star Trek has always been “woke”

 

[Heyo]

Live Long and be a good socialist
To boldly go where no gender-neutral creature has gone before
Green lives matter

Fox News is wrong, Star Trek has always been “woke”

Roddenberry was "woke" before it was cool. He wanted Nichols as 1. Officer but the producers thought that the US wasn't ready for that.
(Germany was, though. "Raumpatroullie" had a female general who was the boss of the main character.)

 

[Stevicus]

Roddenberry was "woke" before it was cool. He wanted Nichols as 1. Officer but the producers thought that the US wasn't ready for that.
(Germany was, though. "Raumpatroullie" had a female general who was the boss of the main character.)

I thought it was Majel Barret that he wanted as Number One, as that was her role in The Menagerie.

 

[Revoltingest]

Live Long and be a good socialist
To boldly go where no gender-neutral creature has gone before
Green lives matter

Fox News is wrong, Star Trek has always been “woke”

It's woker than before though.

 

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[Watchmen]

I’ve never equated telling progressive stories as being “woke.” It’s one thing to tell a story with both nuanced and overt commentary on social and political issues. It’s another thing to hit the viewer over the head with it. For example, there’s a scene in Discovery where a non-binary character tells their supervisor that their pronouns are they/them. It’s a lecture really and took me out of the episode because someone hundreds of years in the future shouldn’t need a lecture on pronouns. It should be a given, and had it been a given it would have made a more powerful point.

I also find that the conservative tolerance of woke-ism wanes or grows depending on the quality of the story. Because the storytelling in Discovery and Picard have been weak, it’s easier for some to criticize the “woke” element of Trek.

As for SNW, it’s been the best of the bunch (granted we’re only two episodes in).

 

[vulcanlogician]

It’s one thing to tell a story with both nuanced and overt commentary on social and political issues. It’s another thing to hit the viewer over the head with it. For example, there’s a scene in Discovery where a non-binary character tells their supervisor that their pronouns are they/them. It’s a lecture really and took me out of the episode because someone hundreds of years in the future shouldn’t need a lecture on pronouns. It should be a given, and had it been a given it would have made a more powerful point.

Exactly. But the problem here isn't being "hit over the head" with ideology. It's bad storytelling.

 

[F1fan]

WOKE Star Trek. This FOX version of Star Trek had crews on other, more conservative ships that went ahead and blasted all the indigenous people of the planet they were sent to save because if they had to rescue people they were worried about having so many non-white humans on board. I mean gee whiz they only had so much of their favorite foods on board and if all these caravans of people from some ****hole planets ate it all the crew would be upset.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It's literally a socialist post-scarcity utopia with an intergalactic commune with quite a few episodes in TOS and Next Gen thinly veiled topics on everything from gender, sex, race and religion with socially progressive views (especially for their time.) Even if read most literally there's episodes like Riker falling in love with and defending an alien who opposed social norms by choosing her sex. Lol.

It took later stories like DS9 to give Trek some introspection into federation ideals and add some gray there. And even then if someone thought DS9 like the rest of Star Trek was anything but staunchly progressive I'd look at them like they just grew a Cardassian neck ridge.

 

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[9-10ths_Penguin]

I’ve never equated telling progressive stories as being “woke.” It’s one thing to tell a story with both nuanced and overt commentary on social and political issues. It’s another thing to hit the viewer over the head with it. For example, there’s a scene in Discovery where a non-binary character tells their supervisor that their pronouns are they/them. It’s a lecture really and took me out of the episode because someone hundreds of years in the future shouldn’t need a lecture on pronouns. It should be a given, and had it been a given it would have made a more powerful point.

I also find that the conservative tolerance of woke-ism wanes or grows depending on the quality of the story. Because the storytelling in Discovery and Picard have been weak, it’s easier for some to criticize the “woke” element of Trek.

As for SNW, it’s been the best of the bunch (granted we’re only two episodes in).

The first thing that came to mind when you talked about hitting the viewer over the head with political commentary was the original series episode - aired at the height of the civil rights movement - with the allegory about racism where Frank Gorshin played 2 characters that were identical except that one was black on the right side and white on the left side, and the other was reversed, and the whole episode was about why racism is pointless and stupid.

Let That Be Your Last Battlefield - Wikipedia

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

The first thing that came to mind when you talked about hitting the viewer over the head with political commentary was the original series episode - aired at the height of the civil rights movement - with the allegory about racism where Frank Gorshin played 2 characters that were identical except that one was black on the right side and white on the left side, and the other was reversed, and the whole episode was about why racism is pointless and stupid.

Let That Be Your Last Battlefield - Wikipedia

If my memory serves me correctly, the first interracial kiss aired on television was between Captain Kirk and Nyota Uhura. Am I right?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

If my memory serves me correctly, the first interracial kiss aired on television was between Captain Kirk and Nyota Uhura. Am I right?

Yes, and they had to lie about it to get it aired. The studio told them not to do it, so they made a fake take without the kiss for the censors then aired the kiss version.

 

[Watchmen]

The first thing that came to mind when you talked about hitting the viewer over the head with political commentary was the original series episode - aired at the height of the civil rights movement - with the allegory about racism where Frank Gorshin played 2 characters that were identical except that one was black on the right side and white on the left side, and the other was reversed, and the whole episode was about why racism is pointless and stupid.

Let That Be Your Last Battlefield - Wikipedia

Yeah. I know that one and remember it well. I liked it a lot although some critics don’t seem to care for it. Of all the episodes in the original series, this is the one that came closest to “hitting the audience over the head.”

 

[Watchmen]

If my memory serves me correctly, the first interracial kiss aired on television was between Captain Kirk and Nyota Uhura. Am I right?

That’s true. However, they were both being controlled by the powerful god-like aliens of the week. It wasn’t a willing kiss. They were forced to.

 

[Heyo]

If my memory serves me correctly, the first interracial kiss aired on television was between Captain Kirk and Nyota Uhura. Am I right?

No.
Well, maybe: First interracial kiss on television - Wikipedia

 

[Stevicus]

That’s true. However, they were both being controlled by the powerful god-like aliens of the week. It wasn’t a willing kiss. They were forced to.

I think that same episode had the first midget horsey ride, too.

 

[sun rise]

Don't forget the non-binary TNG episode The Outcast (episode) | Memory Alpha | Fandom

 

[Watchmen]

Lots of examples out there of classic Trek being progressive. Again, I think they did a better job at storytelling and, in turn, did a better job of addressing these issues in a thought provoking way. NuTrek, on the other hand, exchanges good story telling for hitting the viewer over the head with the message.

 

[Quagmire]

The first Star Trek made you think.

Star Trek the next generation told you what to think.

I've always preferred the first.

If Jean Luke Picard were posting on RF he would have chalked up quite a few rule 8s by now.