Why There is Probably No God

[Trailblazer]

God is a belief, end of story.

God is real, end of story.
Why some people believe that and others don't is another story.

 

[Trailblazer]

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You love having all that power dontcha... kind of like God likes His Power.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God is real, end of story.
Why some people believe that and others don't is another story.

I need to remind you that in a case like this the burden of proof lies upon the person making the positive claim.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe this is an irrefutable argument. I see the ‘signs’ of God everywhere as clear as the sun at midday.

I do not see God anywhere, except in Baha'u'lalh.

 

[Trailblazer]

I need to remind you that in a case like this the burden of proof lies upon the person making the positive claim.

lukethethird said: ↑
God is a belief, end of story.
So he would also have the burden since he also made a positive claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

lukethethird said: ↑
God is a belief, end of story.
So he would also have the burden since he also made a positive claim.

Yes, for his claim he would. But you tell for his claim and committed yourself as well. The problem for you is that there is evidence for his claim, but I have yet to see any evidence for yours.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, for his claim he would. But you tell for his claim and committed yourself as well. The problem for you is that there is evidence for his claim, but I have yet to see any evidence for yours.

There is no more evidence for his claim than there is for my claim. In fact, there is more evidence for my claim because there is some evidence for my claim. What evidence does he have? Seems to me all he has is a personal opinion.

 

[JJ50]

There has never been any verifiable evidence a god exists, however much some claim to have evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is no more evidence for his claim than there is for my claim. In fact, there is more evidence for my claim because there is some evidence for my claim. What evidence doe he have? Seems to me all he has is a personal opinion.

Not true. But go ahead. Post some evidence for your beliefs. Last time I checked you did not have any.

 

[JJ50]

Not true. But go ahead. Post some evidence for your beliefs. Last time I checked you did not have any.

That is because people who claim to have evidence don't have any, in reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is because people who claim to have evidence don't have any, in reality.

I could post some that demonstrates that at least some of the gods are made up. I will not claim it proves all goes are made up. I am waiting for some of the evidence for a god first.

 

[loverofhumanity]

The watchmaker argument? This has been debunked a thousand times over the years.
But if an action occurs through the unfoldment of normal physical laws, how is it a miracle? Isn't a miracle, by definition, magic?

I’ve seen with my own eyes the glory of God and that’s all that matters.

 

[Jos]

I need to remind you that in a case like this the burden of proof lies upon the person making the positive claim.

If God is a nonphysical entity such a spirit wouldn't it be impossible to verify His existence through empirical means?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I’ve seen with my own eyes the glory of God and that’s all that matters.

That argument is as convincing as my claiming that I have seen The Great A'Tuin. Not very.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If God is a nonphysical entity such a spirit wouldn't it be impossible to verify His existence through empirical means?

Only if he wanted to stay hidden. If a god can make the universe a physical manifestation would be child's play.

 

[Jos]

Only if he wanted to stay hidden. If a god can make the universe a physical manifestation would be child's play.

Fair point.

 

[Firemorphic]

If God is a nonphysical entity such a spirit wouldn't it be impossible to verify His existence through empirical means?

If quote/unquote "god" was a person, I'm sure you would go to the bar and buy beers together for pool night but you'd be hard-pressed to call him "god" and you wouldn't have any trouble proving his existence, as he just vomited on you and left without paying the bill, so now you've got to pay for him too.

 

[Firemorphic]

If a god can make the universe a physical manifestation would be child's play.

Ok, so physical manifestation, what would this look like?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok, so physical manifestation, what would this look like?

Whatever that God wanted it to look like.

 

[Firemorphic]

Whatever that God wanted it to look like.

That's not very convincing, are you trying to subscribe to a kind of pseudo-speculative incarnationism within the context of your atheism? (in the sense that you'd "believe" if it "came down" as a thing and communicated with you?)