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Why Most Of You Are going To Hell

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
xexon said:
You are close. It is indeed a co-ed existance while in the body. But first, you have to pull them apart. Same as if it were a couple of 10 years olds fighting for dominance. Then, you can sit them down and work on a partnership. Someday, they'll hold hands and walk into the sunset of your life together. But not today.
Yes, today! Every day. Every moment.

I like that analogy (used to think like that, myself, a life-time ago), but the separation is not a divorce; it need only be acknowledgement of distinction between the two as individuals who make up a whole.

All that wrenching asunder... it sounds painful. It doesn't have to be painful.

xexon said:
Eve has to learn that just because she's the queen, it doesn't mean she has the right to sit in the king's throne.

Adam doesn't need any instruction, as you pointed out, he is completely neutral. He's NOT impotent, just neutral.
Actually, she does have that right --there is literally nowhere else for her to sit. It's not just that she's in the driver's seat, it's that she is the driver.

Eve is the problem. This is her world. And she doesn't like the idea of sharing power over it.
And this is my problem: Eve is not a problem, except, it would appear, for you. You sound like a misogynist with this analogy. :)
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
xexon said:
Yes. Everybody here has the same problem.

When you came to earth, you got the mind as part of the package.

The mind is what hides you from your true self. It is what stands between you and God. It is the Satan of religion. And the mind is the spiritual desert where it dwells.


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So this concept applies to schizophrenics, people who have suffered severe brain damage, severe forms of autism and a litany of other brain disorders where the ability of the mind to make rational decisions is highly questionable?
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
W,

No, I'm not one of those. :).

I use Eve because thats how the Bible treats her too, as a second class citizen in a
man's world. Same with all the big three religions.

The symbolism is beside the point through. I try to be as simple as I can with facts because I'm hard enough to understand as it is.

In the end, Eve dies. Eve only has a place here, where the mind dwells. At our physical death, Adam is single once again. We have returned to our original state.


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xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
gnomon said:
So this concept applies to schizophrenics, people who have suffered severe brain damage, severe forms of autism and a litany of other brain disorders where the ability of the mind to make rational decisions is highly questionable?


These individuals have a different path than most of us. It still has the same rules, but the game itself is more internalized.

When you enter into an earthly existance, your higher self is aware of what it is that you need to grow here. Your life is constructed around those needs. The part of you that reads this is not aware of your higher self, and how it has been an accomplice in the circumstances that surround you today.

Everybody has karmic debt. Call it what you will.

It is possible to burn off this bad karma faster by accepting life with a handicap. It may be mental illness or extreme poverty, etc. It will be of a fiery nature whatever it is. Sometimes, even very evolved souls take on such things to teach compassion to those around them.

And compassion is the key that gets you out of here.



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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
xexon said:
As I said in another thread, I didn't bring an olive branch, I brought an axe.

I'm not blind to other people. Its because I see them so well that I say what I do. Call it tough love if you like. Its not meant for everyone, so you need not take offence with me if you think otherwise.

Do feel free to explain how I've used trickery and misguidence.

Trickery implies a desire for personal gain. I don't pass a collection plate.

Misguidence implies a deviation from "authority". From who's authority have I drifted away from?



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You've come with an axe, supposedly to whittle away the stuff with which we've covered our spiritual eyes. You say your motivation is "tuff love."

Did we ask for your "help?" In what way is your "help" indicated here? Who determines that we suffer from some spiritual malady? You? Who determines the best course of treatment for said "malady?" You? Who died and made you the Great Physician???

Misguided because you carry no authority to make the determinations about the conditions of our souls that you have made. Trickery because, under the guise of being "compassionate" about our spiritual state, you're really only pushing your own position onto the rest of us.

Why don't you use that axe of yours to cut down the tree you've planted in the middle of our street? That might be seen as actually helpful.
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
I find that Christians have the hardest time with me, as you have both so illustrated with your Christian words above.

I am my own authority. The only thing I offer is my own testament. You can agree with it or not, but its no reason to be rude.


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angellous_evangellous

Guest
xexon said:
I find that Christians have the hardest time with me, as you have both so illustrated with your Christian words above.

I am my own authority. The only thing I offer is my own testament. You can agree with it or not, but its no reason to be rude.


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Proclaiming yourself thusly with an axe to cut down on everyone puts you on the high horse.

Pointing out your pig-headed arrogance may be superfluous...

BY THE WAY, you are the one who started the rudeness, saying that people were too stupid to interact with your gibberish.

Calling people morons, treating them like idiots, and then shoving second rate BS down their throats is not going to garner affectatious responses.
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
I have done nothing other than offer something most have never had before. Another option.

I have been very clear from the beginning, that not everyone is ready for what I have to say. You included.

I don't look down my nose at people because of their level of understanding. My only desire is to bring the willing up to a point where they can see what I see from where I am.


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angellous_evangellous

Guest
xexon said:
I find that Christians have the hardest time with me

By the way, my Christianity has nothing to do with my distaste for your empty and pathetic antics. I don't appreciate ANYONE who is so full of themselves that they think that the reason why someone doesn't agree with them is because they baselessly assume that the other person is too stupid to understand what they are saying.

Frankly, you have not shown yourself to be intelligent enough to be the kind of person who can actually come up with something that most people cannot understand.

Many people on RF are very intelligent people, and I don't appreciate your constant insults to both their intelligence and spirituality.
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
Thats your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it.

You're a young buck, so you've got alot of years ahead of you to work on your path. And your manners. :)

You're comfortable being a Christian, right? I never was. I wanted to be like Jesus.

I wanted to be a Christ myself, and that is the path I have pursued, away from the world you know.

For me, it was the correct choice.


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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
xexon said:
I have done nothing other than offer something most have never had before. Another option.

I have been very clear from the beginning, that not everyone is ready for what I have to say. You included.

I don't look down my nose at people because of their level of understanding. My only desire is to bring the willing up to a point where they can see what I see from where I am.


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Once again, it's not particularly your message that I take issue with. It's the way in which you've presented it.

No one is "ready" to receive information dressed up in the kind of inflammatory, self-righteous language you have used here. Bring your message. Present your options. This is a forum. But do it appropriately.

You have done something other than present another option. You've managed to anlienate people and treat them as second-rate. Find another voice, for Pete's sake. Maybe we'd listen.

If you want people to share your perspective, you have to invite them to your platform, not beat them into submission and drag them there.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
xexon said:
Thats your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it.

You're a young buck, so you've got alot of years ahead of you to work on your path. And your manners. :)

You're comfortable being a Christian, right? I never was. I wanted to be like Jesus.

I wanted to be a Christ myself, and that is the path I have pursued, away from the world you know.

For me, it was the correct choice.


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Have you stopped to consider that it might not be the correct choice for everyone?
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
sojourner said:
You've come with an axe, supposedly to whittle away the stuff with which we've covered our spiritual eyes. You say your motivation is "tuff love."

Did we ask for your "help?" In what way is your "help" indicated here? Who determines that we suffer from some spiritual malady? You? Who determines the best course of treatment for said "malady?" You? Who died and made you the Great Physician???

Misguided because you carry no authority to make the determinations about the conditions of our souls that you have made. Trickery because, under the guise of being "compassionate" about our spiritual state, you're really only pushing your own position onto the rest of us.

Why don't you use that axe of yours to cut down the tree you've planted in the middle of our street? That might be seen as actually helpful.[/quote



Now, back to business.

"Our" street? For what reason does it not also belong to me? I may be outside your beliefs, but I'm just like you otherwise.

No, you did not ask for my help. I offer it freely to all that will listen. Those who don't wish to hear it should not come back for second helpings.

What authority would I have if not my own? Would it come from a book, or a priest? That authority would be second hand. Mine is direct, based upon what I see. I don't mind you doubting what I see, because it is difficult to believe.

But until you are willing to sit beside me on my hill, and see for yourself what I see, you will not know.

People give off light, according to their spiritual understanding. This light can be seen, but not with physical eyes.

Compassion. Do you know what it really is?

Its a kind of antenna that connects to the heart. The bigger the antenna, the more you pick up. And the more you pick up, the more you will see the connectivity of all things. In understanding this, you cannot hurt others without hurting yourself.

I have not hurt anyone. Whatever pain you feel from me, comes from the inabilty to understand me. That kind of pain comes from the inside, not from external sources.

So go your way, little flower.

I'll sit here beneath this tree, and watch the children play in the valley below.


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Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
xexon said:
In the end, Eve dies. Eve only has a place here, where the mind dwells. At our physical death, Adam is single once again. We have returned to our original state.
Well, the way I see it, if we die, there is no Eve and there no Adam. Fortunately, an enlightened state doesn't require us killing off either.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
xexon said:
sojourner said:
You've come with an axe, supposedly to whittle away the stuff with which we've covered our spiritual eyes. You say your motivation is "tuff love."

Did we ask for your "help?" In what way is your "help" indicated here? Who determines that we suffer from some spiritual malady? You? Who determines the best course of treatment for said "malady?" You? Who died and made you the Great Physician???

Misguided because you carry no authority to make the determinations about the conditions of our souls that you have made. Trickery because, under the guise of being "compassionate" about our spiritual state, you're really only pushing your own position onto the rest of us.

Why don't you use that axe of yours to cut down the tree you've planted in the middle of our street? That might be seen as actually helpful.[/quote



Now, back to business.

"Our" street? For what reason does it not also belong to me? I may be outside your beliefs, but I'm just like you otherwise.

No, you did not ask for my help. I offer it freely to all that will listen. Those who don't wish to hear it should not come back for second helpings.

What authority would I have if not my own? Would it come from a book, or a priest? That authority would be second hand. Mine is direct, based upon what I see. I don't mind you doubting what I see, because it is difficult to believe.

But until you are willing to sit beside me on my hill, and see for yourself what I see, you will not know.

People give off light, according to their spiritual understanding. This light can be seen, but not with physical eyes.

Compassion. Do you know what it really is?

Its a kind of antenna that connects to the heart. The bigger the antenna, the more you pick up. And the more you pick up, the more you will see the connectivity of all things. In understanding this, you cannot hurt others without hurting yourself.

I have not hurt anyone. Whatever pain you feel from me, comes from the inabilty to understand me. That kind of pain comes from the inside, not from external sources.

So go your way, little flower.

I'll sit here beneath this tree, and watch the children play in the valley below.


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"Why most of you are going to hell." Because *we* (according to you) are trapped in the "hell" of our own minds.

You have brought a message to us. Your message assumes that you are, in some way, separate from us. You've made it clear that you don't want any part of our street. Therefore, you've planted the little tree, under which you are privileged to sit, in the middle of our street, upon which we travel our spiritual journeys. You didn't ask to join us. We didn't invite you. You just showed up and set up your Persian bazaar of inflammatory self-righteousness in the middle of us going about our business.

If you're "just like us," why do you separate yourself from us and pretend that you know more, or have some special spiritual perspective that the rest of us couldn't possibly share?

If a porn shop sets up business in my town, there's little I should do about it, as long as the business is legit. But when the owner violates public sensibility by showing public nudity on his street sign, I'm darn well going to take issue with it. Once again, you seem to be mistaken that my acrimony lies with the content of your message. Not much I can ( would, or should!) do about that. We all need to hear various messages and perspectives. But the way in which the message is advertised...there's the rub.

On the issue of authority: Your signature says it all. Christianity believes that it is the community -- the Body -- that works together in order to see the salvation of humanity. You have a much different prspective -- one that promotes the complete freedom of the individual -- anarchy, which knows no authority.

Do you understand, I don't need to sit on your hill. Your hill is not the correct place for me. From my own hill, I see basically the same things that you see -- just from a slightly different perspective...and that's OK.

Do I know what compassion is? Not even going to qualify that question with an answer.

You haven't hurt anyone? The fact that you insist on sitting in the ivory tower of your own making, separating yourself from the rest of us, hurts us. If you know what compassion is (according to your definition -- which is a good one, by the way), then you know that you have hurt us. Why? Because you have subtracted from the human equation, which should include you. That's an external source.

Go my way? This is my space. You're welcome to share it with me, but you're not welcome to pee on my roots.
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
What you cannot understand is "I" is all that I have to offer.

I speak in the first person because because of this reason, not because I am arrogant.

Jesus did the same. And he was crucified for it by the very reasoning you have given.

Put away your hammer and nails. I am not your enemy.


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gnomon

Well-Known Member
xexon said:
These individuals have a different path than most of us. It still has the same rules, but the game itself is more internalized.

When you enter into an earthly existance, your higher self is aware of what it is that you need to grow here. Your life is constructed around those needs. The part of you that reads this is not aware of your higher self, and how it has been an accomplice in the circumstances that surround you today.

Everybody has karmic debt. Call it what you will.

It is possible to burn off this bad karma faster by accepting life with a handicap. It may be mental illness or extreme poverty, etc. It will be of a fiery nature whatever it is. Sometimes, even very evolved souls take on such things to teach compassion to those around them.

And compassion is the key that gets you out of here.



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That doesn't answer the question. Can humans who suffer from mental impairments severe enough that they cannot hold onto reality or essentially care for themselves get out of hell, as you put it, based on their own abilities? Can a man who sufferes from brain damage that wipes out his memory able to internalize his way to heaven?

Are you saying that children with down's syndrome are victims of bad karma?
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
I'm saying that all paths are individual paths.

Those with mental conditions are on their own paths too. God does not let them flounder in the world. You can't see whats going on with them as easily as you can others, but they are not alone inside themselves.

Their higher self is right there and approving of everything that goes on in their earthly existence. Life is taylored to the needs of that person. You cannot judge them against your own life.

You cannot use your "normal" as a benchmark for such people.

If you believe in just one life, you will have a problem with that. If you believe in many lives, you'll understand that you have play many different parts on this stage.

Might be a deformed child in one life and a king the next. Whatever you need, is what you get. You may be trapped inside the hell of mental illness your whole life, but it doesn't mean that the path has stopped.

Generally, such people will not conquer themselves in the space of one lifetime, if that answers your question.


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