madhatter85
Transhumanist
could you elaborate?the temple ordinance- The Hiawatha prophecy-
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could you elaborate?the temple ordinance- The Hiawatha prophecy-
the temple ordinance- The Hiawatha prophecy-
So, you and I get to God via Christ. And, when we stand before God on that day, will we both be equals in His eyes or will I be lesser because I didnt become a LDS?We don't get to God by reading the Book of Mormon or going to the temple or doing any of the other "Mormon" things. We get to God via Christ.
Nutshell, Thanks for your usual calm/collective posting. So, you and I get to God via Christ. And, when we stand before God on that day, will we both be equals in His eyes or will I be lesser because I didnt become a LDS?
Nutshell, Thanks for your usual calm/collective posting. So, you and I get to God via Christ. And, when we stand before God on that day, will we both be equals in His eyes or will I be lesser because I didnt become a LDS?
. . . There is one way to God, and that's Christ. If you enter in by the Way, you are equal with anyone else who enters by the Way.
There were no "biblical" Christians among the Savior's Apostles and earliest followers, since the Bible had not yet been compiled. I'm sure that Peter, James and John found the "Way." They understood the gospel of Jesus Christ as well as anyone who has ever lived. I'm not convinced that most Latter-day Saints fully understand their own belief system, but it's a safe bet they understand it far better than someone outside the faith does, and it's a fact that the LDS concept of heaven is far more all-inclusive than the traditional Christian concept is.Can a person find this Way as a biblical Christian even if this person denies the LDS belief system (though he fully understands the LDS belief system).
Adam , Enoch, Noah, Abraham, etc. weren't LDS and they still will be going to the Celestial kingdom. It doesn't matter what religion you are as long as you have:
1. Faith in Jesus Christ.
2. Repent of your sins.
3. Are Baptised by immersion with the priesthood authority.
4. Recieve the Holy Ghost through the priesthood.
5. Follow the commandments to the best you can.
If you have those five things you will be able to eneter the lowest level of the celestial kingdom.
ah, but the gold plates were not "sent down" they were buried in a hillside 1500 years or so before they were found again.
There are "bodies terrestrial, bodies telestial and bodies celestial". God has made them all...Can a person find this Way as a biblical Christian even if this person denies the LDS belief system (though he fully understands the LDS belief system).
Well, first of all, it might be useful if you defended your position first. I'm not going to take time to argue against a position that isn't defensible anyway. (That may require a new thread).Thanks for your recent responses.
The biblical understanding of righteousness goes back to Abraham. Because he believed God he was righteous.
In the new covenant we are taught that, because of Christ, our righteousness is the same as Abraham's.
We only have to believe and we are righteous.
Do LDS teach that just believing makes one righteous?
I am under the understanding that LDS do not teach this but I wanted to ask. Because if they do not teach it,
this would be a reason why traditional Christians should not pray over/read the Book of Mormon.
We are "saved after all we can do".Thanks for your recent responses.
The biblical understanding of righteousness goes back to Abraham. Because he believed God he was righteous.
In the new covenant we are taught that, because of Christ, our righteousness is the same as Abraham's.
We only have to believe and we are righteous.
Do LDS teach that just believing makes one righteous?
I am under the understanding that LDS do not teach this but I wanted to ask. Because if they do not teach it,
this would be a reason why traditional Christians should not pray over/read the Book of Mormon.
Ok. Sorry. Let me try again.I'm not following your logic to your conclusion . . .
Ok, now I'm the one confused. I have answered every question. The way to defend is to respond. Did I miss something?. . .it might be useful if you defended your position first.
The reason someone might want to look into it should be fairly obvious: their current belief might just be wrong.Ok. Sorry. Let me try again.
LDS espouse the Book of Mormon and Holy Ghost confirmation as the pinnacle of bringing in converts.
I was just saying that a traditional Christian, who understands the biblical principle of becoming righteous through belief,
most likely would not even want to inquire into a religion that does not believe this.
I can think of one thing: A God that existsAfter all, what is better than a God who sees you as righteous just because you believe.
I was talking about the position of "Belief = Righteousness", but that really is a topic for another thread.Ok, now I'm the one confused. I have answered every question. The way to defend is to respond. Did I miss something?
Joseph and eleven others saw the plates. And what's with your choice of the word "raving"? Could you cite your source please, as I've never heard it said that Joseph Smith was "raving."With absolutely no proof of their existance other than the ravings of one man.
James 2:20-22 says, "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"The biblical understanding of righteousness goes back to Abraham. Because he believed God he was righteous.
First off, I was of the understanding that you fully understood LDS doctrine. I guess I was wrong.I am under the understanding that LDS do not teach this but I wanted to ask. Because if they do not teach it, this would be a reason why traditional Christians should not pray over/read the Book of Mormon.
Ok. Sorry. Let me try again.
LDS espouse the Book of Mormon and Holy Ghost confirmation as the pinnacle of bringing in converts. I was just saying that a traditional Christian, who understands the biblical principle of becoming righteous through belief, most likely would not even want to inquire into a religion that does not believe this.
After all, what is better than a God who sees you as righteous just because you believe.