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Why does the UK have royalty?

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Yes... the political system that brought us the "Cash for Honours" scandal is immune from the corrupting effects of money.

I know of no political system that is free from corruption.
The more the money the greater the corruption.

Some deal with it better than others but............
 

Blackheart

Active Member
I am not sure which is more legitimate. we have each chosen the system we have and we could change it at any time.
However.. Political top jobs are bought... with out raising and spending vast sums of money no one could become president. In my view becoming head of state through the power of money is no better than through inheritance.

Never thought of it like that but your absolutely right.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Okay, I never really understood this. What does the Queen do? Is it tax money that makes her family unbelievably wealthy or do they work in business. Why is the Queen still around, does it seem a little ridiculous?

The Queen and Royal Family used to be paid by our taxes and we still pick up the bill for security,nowdays though she has an income of her own as does Prince Charles.
The Queen owns Horse Studs and Race Horses plus a personal fortune of approx 75 million pounds.

The Queen is the best Ambassador this country could ever have,She does great work for Charities and commands great respect and iwould prefer Her to represent my Country than any double dealing lying Politician :p.
 

kai

ragamuffin
the queen is a personification of Britain, a representative of the nation, a figurehead a rallying point, a living and breathing union flag .
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
The Queen and Royal Family used to be paid by our taxes and we still pick up the bill for security,nowdays though she has an income of her own as does Prince Charles.
The Queen owns Horse Studs and Race Horses plus a personal fortune of approx 75 million pounds.
It was very nice of your ancestors and your country to provide her with seed capital. Usually, when an investor does that, they expect some sort of return on investment.

The Queen is the best Ambassador this country could ever have,She does great work for Charities and commands great respect and iwould prefer Her to represent my Country than any double dealing lying Politician :p.
Will you say the same when it's King Charles rather than Queen Elizabeth?

Personally, I'm very happy with my current Governor General, David Johnston, as I was with the one before, Michaelle Jean.

I wasn't so keen on Adrienne Clarkson, but at least we didn't have to wait until she died before we could get someone else.

the queen is a personification of Britain, a representative of the nation, a figurehead a rallying point, a living and breathing union flag .
... and these are all very good reasons for why she should not be queen of Canada.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
It was very nice of your ancestors and your country to provide her with seed capital. Usually, when an investor does that, they expect some sort of return on investment.

Really its no different from any other rich person who benefits from their predecessor,and in any case the money stays here and she generates an income for the country through tourism.

Will you say the same when it's King Charles rather than Queen Elizabeth?

No probably not,the best that could be said of him perhaps is he is a high profile campaigner for the enviroment.

Personally, I'm very happy with my current Governor General, David Johnston, as I was with the one before, Michaelle Jean.

OK

I wasn't so keen on Adrienne Clarkson, but at least we didn't have to wait until she died before we could get someone else.

Thats a fair point but the Queen has no political ambition so whoever takes over (hopefully William) the remit will be the same.

... and these are all very good reasons for why she should not be queen of Canada.

Would all Canadians agree with that,we owe a huge debt to Canada in terms of the Men she lost in two world wars when she came to fight along side us,as Kai said she is a rallying point and figurehead.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I think when it comes to queens and politicians, they're pretty much interchangeable when it comes to leeching on their perspective societies and generally not really deserving the adulation so often given to them.


I mean, some are more charismatic than others, and some take their roles more seriously than others, but they're all just commoners, whether they admit it or not.

That being said, the human race has clearly shown that we have a pack mentality and that leadership is a necessary component of our societies. It's just that I prefer humble leaders who KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are not worth one mite more than the people they lead - and who consider their leadership a service rather than a right.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Why is the Queen on Canadian dollars?
Because she's our head of state.

Would all Canadians agree with that,
Probably not. The United Empire Loyalists wouldn't, certainly. I'm not speaking for anyone but myself.

we owe a huge debt to Canada in terms of the Men she lost in two world wars when she came to fight along side us,as Kai said she is a rallying point and figurehead.
There will always be a strong link of shared history between Canada and the UK, regardless of whether we share a head of state.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
I think when it comes to queens and politicians, they're pretty much interchangeable when it comes to leeching on their perspective societies and generally not really deserving the adulation so often given to them.

Agree


I mean, some are more charismatic than others, and some take their roles more seriously than others, but they're all just commoners, whether they admit it or not.

Agree

That being said, the human race has clearly shown that we have a pack mentality and that leadership is a necessary component of our societies. It's just that I prefer humble leaders who KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are not worth one mite more than the people they lead - and who consider their leadership a service rather than a right.

Disagree,the Queen serves us as an Ambassador but isn't a leader,thats what the civil war was about,she isn't a decision maker and i would suspect that she realises she was fortunate to be born into exceptional circumstance just as Richards Bransons Children were.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Because she's our head of state.


Probably not. The United Empire Loyalists wouldn't, certainly. I'm not speaking for anyone but myself.


There will always be a strong link of shared history between Canada and the UK, regardless of whether we share a head of state.

So what is the problem with sharing
 

MSI64

Member
My Queen and My boss.
Have sworn my loyalty to her and when she finally gives the order to rout out Parliament, I will carry out my orders with relish and vigour

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!
 

kai

ragamuffin
... and these are all very good reasons for why she should not be queen of Canada.

and that's entirely up to Canadians!


i have always found the this the most moving of battle cries:



By the power of grey skull-----i have the power!!!!!!!
:D
 
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Blackheart

Active Member
Disagree,the Queen serves us as an Ambassador but isn't a leader,thats what the civil war was about,she isn't a decision maker and i would suspect that she realises she was fortunate to be born into exceptional circumstance just as Richards Bransons Children were.

The difference between the U.K's most famous benefit scroungers and the Bransons is that Richard earned his wealth for his family to inherit. What has the royal family done to deserve thiers? The people who think we need a royal family are just sentimental sheep claiming a belief in democracy so long as it doesnt interfere with their romantic image of the UK's history. If the royal family believe they are worth keeping then let them exist without tax payers money, then we will see just how patriotic they are.

Message to the queen....GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK...(and I may even let you keep the Crown Jewels you stole from the Africans!)
 
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Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
Okay, I never really understood this. What does the Queen do? Is it tax money that makes her family unbelievably wealthy or do they work in business. Why is the Queen still around, does it seem a little ridiculous?

She sits around on her fat arse all day eating stuffed Larks tongues or whatever at great expense to the British taxpayer...many of whom can barely afford to drive to work..

As do the rest of the Royals...

So basically dust1n I don't understand why either mate and yes it's very ridiculous in extremis..it's also elitist and archaic...we republicans number in our millions and as the elderly die off our influence will continue to grow...the loyalists can squeal about the Royals as much as they like, the end for our 'constitutional monarchy' draws near, the Daily Mail buying sycophantic nationalists....
 

Blackheart

Active Member
She sits around on her fat arse all day eating stuffed Larks tongues or whatever at great expense to the British taxpayer...many of whom can barely afford to drive to work..

As do the rest of the Royals...

So basically dust1n I don't understand why either mate and yes it's very ridiculous in extremis..it's also elitist and archaic...we republicans number in our millions and as the elderly die off our influence will continue to grow...the loyalists can squeal about the Royals as much as they like, the end for our 'constitutional monarchy' draws near, the Daily Mail buying sycophantic nationalists....

Well said.

Has anyone heard how the Queen, Charlie and William are set to become protected from negative media coverage by law? Talk about going backwards! Obviously they must have much to hide.
 

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
sweet gig if you can get it. id like to have been born in a situation where i inherent wholly undeserved wealth. of course id have to be an inbred royal twit, but it might be worth it.
 

Blackheart

Active Member
The Queen and Royal Family used to be paid by our taxes and we still pick up the bill for security,nowdays though she has an income of her own as does Prince Charles.
The Queen owns Horse Studs and Race Horses plus a personal fortune of approx 75 million pounds.

The Queen is the best Ambassador this country could ever have,She does great work for Charities and commands great respect and iwould prefer Her to represent my Country than any double dealing lying Politician :p.


Excuse me but the Queen and her family of leeches is STILL paid by our taxes aside of security expenses. Yes of course she has also invested some of our money (for her own gain) but dont be making out that she makes all of her own money. Thats just false and im sure you know it.

As for the double dealing politicians at least they are elected. Many people have alleged in the past that the Royal leeches are an extremely devious pack of wolves doing covert politically minded deals cloaked by their image of being non political. Why do you think that Fergie was able to sell an audience with Andrew if an audience with Andrew wasnt worth alot of money to someone looking to gain something under the table.

The fact that the British government is now seeking to make it ILLEGAL for the media to disclose anything about the top royals that they do not want to be disclosed (allegedly, in light of a recent attempt by the media to expose their dodgey dealings) shows just how valuable their dodgey dealings are to those very same 'double dealing lying politicians'.
 
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