Why do Chr-stians and non-Christians alike believe they will go to heaven when they die?

[ChristineM]

What does unliving mean?

Life cannot be created or destroyed, only changed from one form to another.

Unliving = without life. Fairly obvious really, notice the "un"

I never said life cannot be created or destroyed, please dont misquote me

However, in the 1st law of thermodynamics that 'other' is energy, sorry i missed thst bit out

 

[RestlessSoul]

Unliving = without life. Fairly obvious really, notice the "un"

I never said life cannot be created or destroyed, please dont misquote me

However, in the 1st law of thermodynamics that 'other' is energy, sorry i missed thst bit out

I'm not trying to catch you out or trip you up.

I did not misquote you, I substituted the word energy for life because I was trying to communicate an idea, a perception. To suggest that perhaps there may be at least some common ground between your faith in science and my faith in God.

But to do that would require from each of us a willingness to at least consider other ways of seeing.

 

[syo]

Do you believe you will go to heaven when you die?

Nope.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Do you believe you will go to heaven when you die?

Nope. I just can't imagine such a future, especially where all those with different religious beliefs might all be there, along with us non-believers - given that any God might compensate, and allow entry, for all those who apparently have/had the 'wrong' religious belief.

 

[Aupmanyav]

In this way we are all, to some extent made of dead people.

Do you mind if I make a small correction? Made of other things, that includes some atoms from dead people also, as also from a cockroach.

I did not misquote you, I substituted the word energy for life because I was trying to communicate an idea, a perception. To suggest that perhaps there may be at least some common ground between your faith in science and my faith in God.

If I may be allowed to expand on this, there is 'physical energy' and there is something supposed to be 'divine energy'. The two things are completely different. One belongs to atheists, the other to theists.

 

[Aupmanyav]

We are all made from atoms, atoms are not living.

Again, not true. Nothing is more alive than the atoms and its constituents are.

"This is about 7 quadrillion revolutions per second or equivalently 7 thousand trillion revolutions per second. This is fantastically fast but it is much slower than the rate of rotation of nuclei. At this rate of revolution all that can be observed of the electron in its orbit is its dynamic appearance."
with what speed does an electron revolves - Google Search

What does unliving mean?
Life cannot be created or destroyed, only changed from one form to another.

Yeah, nothing 'unliving' in the universe.

 

[ChristineM]

I'm not trying to catch you out or trip you up.

I did not misquote you, I substituted the word energy for life because I was trying to communicate an idea, a perception. To suggest that perhaps there may be at least some common ground between your faith in science and my faith in God.

But to do that would require from each of us a willingness to at least consider other ways of seeing.

You changed my wording, to me that's a misquote

Energy is not alive, matter is not alive. Under certain circumstances the two together can contribute to life

Sorry, natural and supernatural are incompatible

 

[ChristineM]

Do you mind if I make a small correction? Made of other things, that includes some atoms from dead people also, as also from a cockroach.

Correct, also, flies, dead and rotten trees, weathered rock etc.

divine energy

Show me...

 

[ChristineM]

This is about 7 quadrillion revolutions per second or equivalently 7 thousand trillion revolutions per second. This is fantastically fast but it is much slower than the rate of rotation of nuclei. At this rate of revolution all that can be observed of the electron in its orbit is its dynamic appearance."
with what speed does an electron revolves -

Movement does not imply life

 

[RestlessSoul]

You changed my wording, to me that's a misquote

Energy is not alive, matter is not alive. Under certain circumstances the two together can contribute to life

Sorry, natural and supernatural are incompatible

Your wording? You own the words? Which ones?

What a pity we cannot converse.

 

[Colt]

So many people believe that they will go to heaven when they die. You go to a funeral, and the relatives that come up to speak, or the preacher, will say that the person is in heaven now. I suppose it is easy to hear and comforting in a sense to believe that your loved ones are in heaven, but it's not the truth according to the Bible. And we should be men and women of truth. I believe the 10 commandments teach us this in the 9th commandment. Yet most people believe the Bible teaches that we go to heaven when we die. Even when reading the parable of the rich man and lazarus, it does not suggest that we go to heaven when we die as some assume. When we die, we are dead, and we rest there awaiting the resurrection. There is a first and second resurrection according to the Bible. The first resurrection is for when Yahshua our Savior returns and with it will be resurrected those who have died in the Messiah, or died in the faith (Revelation 20:6). The second resurrection is for after the 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth has ended and all the rest will be brought before the great, white throne judgment to be judged. At that time, there will be gnashing of teeth as the wicked is severed from the righteous and destroyed in Gehenna Fire.

Yahshua was different. He was not of this world, he was originally a heavenly being pre-existing with the Father. We are earthly beings. We were born on this earth and the scriptures tell us the meek shall inherit the earth, not heaven (Matthew 5:5).

Chr-stianity has really done a great deal of damage to the Bible by trying to comfort the masses. One can find comfort in the Bible. One does not need to invent ideas to make the message more palatable. If we die, we will rest in our lot and be resurrected. Those that are blessed to receive the first resurrection will rule in Yahweh's Kingdom on earth as kings and priests. The new Jerusalem will come forth out of heaven to this earth prepared for the people of Yahweh as we read in Revelation 21. You can also read 1 Corinthians 15 for some more information about the first resurrection.

Do you believe you will go to heaven when you die?

Yes, this world isn't our permeant home. Death and or translation is normal. Like Elijah and Enoch translated directly to heaven, the salvaged sons of God will awake on the Mansion worlds.

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Do you mind if I make a small correction? Made of other things, that includes some atoms from dead people also, as also from a cockroach.If I may be allowed to expand on this, there is 'physical energy' and there is something supposed to be 'divine energy'. The two things are completely different. One belongs to atheists, the other to theists.

Perhaps. Or perhaps there is energy, and it is divine. And it belongs to the Universe, which is itself divine. As all things are.
In my view.

 

[rrobs]

All you have to do is read the last 2 chapters of Revelation and it'll be as plain as day that we will be on a new earth, not heaven.

And despite the Greek tradition of the immortal soul that lives after we die, the scriptures themselves say the dead are actually dead (what a concept!). When Jesus returns all the dead will be resurrected and judged. Those in the book of life will be on the new earth. Those that aren't die what's called the second death, which mean they will actually be dead. No people will be screaming in hell for all eternity. Dead people don't feel pain.

People in heaven is but one thing that everybody "knows" is in the Bible. But it's not really there.

 

[rrobs]

So many people believe that they will go to heaven when they die. You go to a funeral, and the relatives that come up to speak, or the preacher, will say that the person is in heaven now. I suppose it is easy to hear and comforting in a sense to believe that your loved ones are in heaven, but it's not the truth according to the Bible. And we should be men and women of truth. I believe the 10 commandments teach us this in the 9th commandment. Yet most people believe the Bible teaches that we go to heaven when we die. Even when reading the parable of the rich man and lazarus, it does not suggest that we go to heaven when we die as some assume. When we die, we are dead, and we rest there awaiting the resurrection. There is a first and second resurrection according to the Bible. The first resurrection is for when Yahshua our Savior returns and with it will be resurrected those who have died in the Messiah, or died in the faith (Revelation 20:6). The second resurrection is for after the 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth has ended and all the rest will be brought before the great, white throne judgment to be judged. At that time, there will be gnashing of teeth as the wicked is severed from the righteous and destroyed in Gehenna Fire.

Yahshua was different. He was not of this world, he was originally a heavenly being pre-existing with the Father. We are earthly beings. We were born on this earth and the scriptures tell us the meek shall inherit the earth, not heaven (Matthew 5:5).

Chr-stianity has really done a great deal of damage to the Bible by trying to comfort the masses. One can find comfort in the Bible. One does not need to invent ideas to make the message more palatable. If we die, we will rest in our lot and be resurrected. Those that are blessed to receive the first resurrection will rule in Yahweh's Kingdom on earth as kings and priests. The new Jerusalem will come forth out of heaven to this earth prepared for the people of Yahweh as we read in Revelation 21. You can also read 1 Corinthians 15 for some more information about the first resurrection.

Do you believe you will go to heaven when you die?

Right on! It's such an easy concept that the dead are actually dead. Even a rather casual reading of the scriptures will show that the dead are dead and they'll stay dead until Jesus reappears. The other option would be to go to a funeral home and look at a dead body. It'll be apparent that they are no longer alive, but dead.

Anyway when Jesus does reappear there will be the resurrections, some get dropped into a lake of fire where what one might expect what happens to someone who gets thrown into a lake of fire; they die! It's called the second death and that's that for them. There is no consciousness in death so no eternal torture. They just die again.

Those in the Book of Life will be in paradise on a new earth. It'll be back to what God intended in the beginning with the exception that there will be no tree of knowledge of good and evil along with the death that comes with it.

There's a few details, but that's the basic outline.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

When you say non-Christians believe they're going to "heaven", are you meaning the Abrahamic "Heaven" or a celestial plane made analogous to this realm and called "heaven" by pervasive Christian terminology?

 

[ChristineM]

Your wording? You own the words? Which ones?

What a pity we cannot converse.

Yes it is a pitty

 

[BilliardsBall]

So many people believe that they will go to heaven when they die. You go to a funeral, and the relatives that come up to speak, or the preacher, will say that the person is in heaven now. I suppose it is easy to hear and comforting in a sense to believe that your loved ones are in heaven, but it's not the truth according to the Bible. And we should be men and women of truth. I believe the 10 commandments teach us this in the 9th commandment. Yet most people believe the Bible teaches that we go to heaven when we die. Even when reading the parable of the rich man and lazarus, it does not suggest that we go to heaven when we die as some assume. When we die, we are dead, and we rest there awaiting the resurrection. There is a first and second resurrection according to the Bible. The first resurrection is for when Yahshua our Savior returns and with it will be resurrected those who have died in the Messiah, or died in the faith (Revelation 20:6). The second resurrection is for after the 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth has ended and all the rest will be brought before the great, white throne judgment to be judged. At that time, there will be gnashing of teeth as the wicked is severed from the righteous and destroyed in Gehenna Fire.

Yahshua was different. He was not of this world, he was originally a heavenly being pre-existing with the Father. We are earthly beings. We were born on this earth and the scriptures tell us the meek shall inherit the earth, not heaven (Matthew 5:5).

Chr-stianity has really done a great deal of damage to the Bible by trying to comfort the masses. One can find comfort in the Bible. One does not need to invent ideas to make the message more palatable. If we die, we will rest in our lot and be resurrected. Those that are blessed to receive the first resurrection will rule in Yahweh's Kingdom on earth as kings and priests. The new Jerusalem will come forth out of heaven to this earth prepared for the people of Yahweh as we read in Revelation 21. You can also read 1 Corinthians 15 for some more information about the first resurrection.

Do you believe you will go to heaven when you die?

No, I KNOW when I die I will go to Heaven--I've trusted Yeshua, not myself, for salvation, per the Bible.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If they really did, they would jump with joy when diagnosed with terminal cancer.

Ciao

- viole

Or not, because death and separation from loved ones still hurts regardless of afterlife views.

 

[1213]

So many people believe that they will go to heaven when they die. You go to a funeral, and the relatives that come up to speak, or the preacher, will say that the person is in heaven now. I suppose it is easy to hear and comforting in a sense to believe that your loved ones are in heaven, but it's not the truth according to the Bible....

...Do you believe you will go to heaven when you die?

Is it a big mistake to call paradise heaven? I believe for many the point is only that life continues and death of a body is not the end. But, probably it would be good to be more accurate. That is why I for example would speak about it this way:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

I am not the right person to tell who are righteous, and I can’t testify for myself, but, I believe everyone who is righteous, will get the eternal life.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Do you mind if I make a small correction? Made of other things, that includes some atoms from dead people also, as also from a cockroach.

I can definitely feel the cockroach in me, given the number of times I have survived death and lesser nuisances.