Why can't I go to heaven?

[Thief]

i'm calling unfounded belief dangerous...

ooops... are you projecting?

Your stance is noted.
And is the cause you won't be going to heaven.

 

[waitasec]

Your stance is noted.
And is the cause you won't be going to heaven.

all this to support your inflated idea of yourself...excellent...

 

[Thief]

all this to support your inflated idea of yourself...excellent...

And you posted this thread?
And disregard your responsibility for it?

But that's right...you don't believe in anything greater than yourself.

 

[waitasec]

And you posted this thread?
And disregard your responsibility for it?

But that's right...you don't believe in anything greater than yourself.

the indifference of nature is much much greater than i am....


tell me how does it feel to know that your loved one may not make it to heaven?
a child a spouse a parent...
wouldn't heaven cease to be heaven?

i'm not expecting an answer....since you're probably too scared to commit to anything that will prove your arrogance unquestionably undeniable to yourself

 

[Thief]

the indifference of nature is much much greater than i am....


tell me how does it feel to know that your loved one may not make it to heaven?
a child a spouse a parent...
wouldn't heaven cease to be heaven?

i'm not expecting an answer....since you're probably too scared to commit to anything that will prove your arrogance unquestionably undeniable to yourself

My loved ones believe.

You won't make it.
But to that I can be indifferent.

 

[waitasec]

My loved ones believe.

You won't make it.
But to that I can be indifferent.

what of those who's loved ones don't...
remember it's not all about you.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Just a note pulled from Answers.com
(as if the point needs rebuttal)

"The most common motives for murder are:

for financial gain,
unintentional in the commission of another crime,
as the ultimate control of another person,
vengeance or retribution,
result of a mental illness,
jealousy,
hate,
fear,
arrogance or self righteousness,
subservience to another person or entity.

Some murders are a result of a combination of these motivations."


I see the 'religious' causes are to the bottom of the list.
Likely so as most people think of God as good.

I see the atheist causes are nowhere on the list.

In this thread, I see far to much blame aimed at those who believe in God.
If the accusation held water...every believer would be at fault.

I say to the contrary....
Man, without belief in Higher Powers, would feel more at ease in abiding to his own will....dominating all things around him....
including his fellowman.

By the same token, a man with faith in a higher power would feel just as much at ease in abiding to what he believes is God's will...dominating all things around him, including his fellow man.

If God really does insist on belief.....for entry into heaven....
Then non-believers have no hope.

Is there any hope of you answering this non-believer's questions?

 

[look3467]

Funny how a simple question can turn into chasing rabbits.

Pretty simple!

God's creation of humanity became flawed in the making.
That means all of humanity is born into a flawed condition.

God's correction is again a simple matter.
God recreates out of the same flawed condition a man (Jesus) to be the one to hang all our flaws on in order to save all His creation.

Now, all the details in between are all arguable, questionable, and workable.

But the salvation part has been taken care of for all creation in the loss of only one.

Everybody has an angle, a religion, a belief system or nothing at all.

Be it as it may, there is only one way that God worked to save His own creation and that was through His Son Jesus.

That being the case, you tell me what part we played in it? The condemned!

Can the condemned pardon self by any good works/deeds, whether beit from the heart or not?

That is surely arguable as it has been for 2,000 years.

Yes, is the answer to the OP's question, yews you can be saved.

Learning how is the question.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Thief]

I see the atheist causes are nowhere on the list.

Any item that leaves God out.

By the same token, a man with faith in a higher power would feel just as much at ease in abiding to what he believes is God's will...dominating all things around him, including his fellow man.


Is there any hope of you answering this non-believer's questions?

There are four motivations....
religion, politics, military, money.

If you want to motivate someone else....take your pick.

If you want to crossover into the next life...you have only one choice.

 

[Thief]

what of those who's loved ones don't...
remember it's not all about you.

If that is now your approach....you first.

Oh that's right....you refuse to believe.
Should I continue to waste myself on you?

You know.....it's not about you.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

I see the atheist causes are nowhere on the list.

Any item that leaves God out.

Unless you're saying that no believer has ever committed murder for financial gain;
unintentional in the commission of another crime; as the ultimate control of another person; vengeance or retribution; result of a mental illness; jealousy; hate; fear; arrogance or self righteousness; or that only non-believers have ever committed murder for these reasons, I would have to say that any item that leaves God out is irrelevant.

There are four motivations....
religion, politics, military, money.

If you want to motivate someone else....take your pick.

If you want to crossover into the next life...you have only one choice.

Your post had nothing to do with crossing over, it was a list of motivations for murder in an attempt to show that few murders are religiously motivated.

 

[waitasec]

the indifference of nature is much much greater than i am....


tell me how does it feel to know that your loved one may not make it to heaven?
a child a spouse a parent...
wouldn't heaven cease to be heaven?

i'm not expecting an answer....since you're probably too scared to commit to anything that will prove your arrogance unquestionably undeniable to yourself

My loved ones believe.

You won't make it.
But to that I can be indifferent.

what of those who's loved ones don't...
remember it's not all about you.

If that is now your approach....you first.

Oh that's right....you refuse to believe.
Should I continue to waste myself on you?

You know.....it's not about you.

your cowardice is noted...

a rational person would think...heaven would cease...
however, it is all about you and your loved ones...
so who cares about everyone else so long as you're happy...

ah the double standard strikes again
do unto others...
unless...

 

[Thief]

your cowardice is noted...

a rational person would think...heaven would cease...
however, it is all about you and your loved ones...
so who cares about everyone else so long as you're happy...

ah the double standard strikes again
do unto others...
unless...

You imply that belief is irrational.
Poor choice.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Belief is neither a rational nor irrational concept (more a non-rational concept); however discounting evidence and facts because they disagree with those beliefs IS irrational.

 

[Daviso452]

If evidence is presented contrary to your belief, enough to the point where it can be accepted as fact, it is rational to change your beliefs accordingly.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

That is if it IS contrary, many theistic and most deistic belief structures (in general as opposed to specific components therein) are not contrary to science; while there may be particular beliefs within those structures (such as particular myths about creation for example) that may contradict science, merely by changing you belief structure to suggest that those elements (eg creation myth) are allegory rather than literal, prevents the contradiction. Therefore providing concrete evidence that the creation myth is incorrect in the literal sense does not mean that it is irrational to hold to the general belief structure, only to continue to hold onto a literal interpretation of that particular disproved element therein.

 

[waitasec]

You imply that belief is irrational.
Poor choice.

you are misrepresenting what i'm saying...

over generalize much?

unfounded belief is irrational.
a poor choice indeed.

so what happens to those believers who's loved ones don't make it?
i'll answer it for you since you refuse to for obvious reasons

heaven ceases to be heaven...

see how unsupported beliefs work?

 

[Thief]

you are misrepresenting what i'm saying...

over generalize much?

unfounded belief is irrational.
a poor choice indeed.

so what happens to those believers who's loved ones don't make it?
i'll answer it for you since you refuse to for obvious reasons

heaven ceases to be heaven...

see how unsupported beliefs work?

This is your current crutch.
When you stop doing this....your discussion might get better.

 

[waitasec]

This is your current crutch.
When you stop doing this....your discussion might get better.

so what is your point?
that unfounded belief is rational?

if not then, what is your point?

is that the best you can do?
heaven will cease to be heaven for those of whom their loved ones didn't make to heaven...but of course that doesn't matter to you because heaven is all about you and how your feel knowing that you will spend the rest of eternity with your loved ones...good for you.

now how about adding some sort of logic to that way of thinking...
is it logical or illogical. you know what it is...i know what it is...

 

[InChrist]

Revelation 21:4 shows that all tears will be wiped away in heaven. There will be no more death, sorrow, crying, or pain. This, I believe will include all sadness and grief over loved ones who refused God's invitation and are not also there. I cannot understand how God will remove this pain, but I believe His word and that He will do so as promised. I also believe that in heaven everyone's perspective and understanding will be clear and complete unlike now where there is only temporal, finite understanding. God has offered heaven to everyone, everyone is welcome and only those who refuse and don't want to be there won't be.

For God so loved the world that He sent His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16