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Why a young earth?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Abram, Apr 14, 2006.

  1. Abram

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    I wanted to find the approximate age of the earth through the Bible. So I have done some Bible homework to show that if you believe in the God of the Bible you must belive in a young earth. Even if you think the Bible has been changed through time.

    I think it's safe to say Jesus was around 2000 years. So we must trace back the genealogy back to Adam and find the break in which there is nothing said.
    Matthew 1 states the line from Jesus to Abram with no breaks, the OT will give the details of who and what happened in that time frame.

    So where did Abraham come from? In Genesis 11:10 it traces him back to Shem, the son of Noah.
    Shem to Arphaxad was a 100 years,
    Arphaxad to Shelah was 35 years,
    Shelah to Eber was 30 years,
    Eber to Peley was 34 years,
    Peley to Reu was 30 years,
    Reu to Serug was 32 years,
    Serug to Nahor was 30 years,
    Nahor to Terah was 29 years,
    Terah to Abram was 70 years,
    So we have found 390 years so far...

    Now we need to trace Shem back to Adam. Adam was in the garden of Eden and as we know from Genesis 1:31 he was made on the sixth day of creation.
    Adam to Seth was 130 years,
    Seth to Enosh was 105 years,
    Enosh to Kena was 90 years,
    Kena to Mahalalel was 70 years,
    Mahalalel to Jared was 65 years,
    Jared to Enoch was 162 years,
    Enoch to Methuselah was 65 years,
    Methuselah to Lamech was 187 years,
    Lamech to Noah was 182 years,
    Noah to Shem was 50 years...
    So we found another 1,556 years. So there is 1,946 years from Adam to Abraham.

    So was the earth really made in 6 days? I think yes because if we look to Exodus 20:9 in the 10 Commandments it is said that "Six days we work and on the seventh we are to rest"... 11"For in six days the Lord made the Heavens and earth."
    Then again in Exodus 31:17 "It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested." These are the words directly from God to Moses. The next verse says, 18"When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the Testimony, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

    I feel the flood is what makes this earth look and feel so old. I think that if the earth was under water for a 150 days it could erode and change many of the land scapes. Then when the waters receded it would be strong enough to dig out a Grand Canyon in just a few days.
     
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  2. standing_alone

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    What makes you claim that?

    Besides the fact that outside the Bible there is no evidence (that is, if you consider the Bible evidence) of there being a world-wide flood - how would it take only a few days of receding water to create the Grand Canyon?
     
  3. Abram

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    Well, being that I have never seen a billion gallons of water move across land looking for a place to go. A nieve assumption I suppose.

    But this thread wasnt to debate the Grand Canyon, I tried to explain that if you want to believe in the Bible you should believe in a young earth. But I have a feeling you don't believe in the Bible though?
     
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    No, I don't believe in the Bible, I just was curious about that one point since it was part of the OP and all, but since I'm obviously not welcome to pose questions, I will butt out.
     
  5. Abram

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    Your right it was a statement I said, maybe with no ground to say it. I just can't defend that part. Your questions are always welcome. I just must answer truthfully with "I don't know" :)
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    Okay, no problem. But I shall butt out, since that was the only part I was interested in. :)
     
  7. joeboonda

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    I believe in the Bible, The Great Flood, a Literal Six Day Creation, and a Young Earth. I hadn't before, but the more I studied, I found great evidence of a Global Flood, and of a Young Earth. In fact it seems to me that evidence for a young earth has grown, and evidence of evolution has unraveled before our eyes these last 20 years or so. But, I am sure others will vehemently disagree with me, and I am not going to debate it, as there are probably people who are more into disscussing such things than I. Just stating for the record :)
     
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  8. tiano

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    I belive in a global flood but that doesnt necessarily mean the whole bible is correct.
    Many religions and ancient peoples spoke of a great flood and science programs always seem to relate to the ' last ice age'.
    If there has been several ice ages it would be natural for there to be great floods every time we come out of an ice age, once the ice caps melt the water rise and then there's floods.

    It puzzles me with global warming claims too. Surely if we have come out of an ice age (gradual temperature rises that melt the ice as the planet warms), then continual rising of temperature and continual melting of ice caps are expected and even normal?

    There are also remains of neanderthal man that have been found and yet the bible says God created man as Adam (and Eve). How can there be two types of man if God created just one type?

    I'm not just out to debunk the bible but there's lots of questions that seem to be unanswered by the bible and I can't honestly believe that all the information that man needs as his history could be squeezed into such a relatively small book.

    Thanks all
     
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    Many of us believe the ice age was much faster than at first believed, the grooves in the rocky ground of the north mid west seem to show faster moving ice. There are Christian answers to ' neanderthal' man, too. Some of the 'men' shown in the progression from ape to man were fabrications, others were humans like ourselves. Some were found to have had rickets or such where you don't get enough vitamin C. but still fully human. Been a while since I 'boned' up on the subject, but there is a lot of good info out there on the subject from a Christian view.
     
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    The Java man, Piltdown man, the neanderthal man, and others were either frauds or since then have been found be be pig teeth, a man with arthritis, and a out right fraud that had to be reviled because it was in the way of other progress...
     
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    I knew that the pilt down man was a definite fraud and others along the way too but I've never heard that neanderthal man himself was a fraud.
    I'm not saying your wrong, maybe I've been misinformed by the many books and programs that have made reference to such a being. It would be good if other people can confirm this, especially anyone form the science fields or indeed any other none religious believers.

    Thanks all

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    The tales I have embarked upon have made reference to size difference as well as intellect difference with the neanderthal portrayed as a much stronger man with a stockier and bigger build.
     
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    If you think the bible is history, you are taking in the wrong message, its the morals that count...
     
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    The planet’s coming into existence is recounted in the Bible with the simple statement: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Ge 1:1) Just how long ago the starry heavens and the earth were created is not stated in the Bible. Therefore, there is no basis for Bible scholars to take issue with scientific calculations of the age of the planet. Scientists estimate the age of some rocks as being three and a half billion years, and the earth itself as being about four to four and a half billion or more years.​

    As to time, the Scriptures are more definite about the six creative days of the Genesis account. These days have to do, not with the creation of earth’s matter or material, but with the arranging and preparing of it for man’s habitation.
     
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    Are you aware of how many fossils of neanderthal have been recovered? Are you taking all 1000+ individuals into account when you state that they are frauds? Perhaps you've read a book that examined each fossil and refuted it? Or, maybe you just don't know how overwhelming the evidence is for neandethal.
     
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    Read your bible again. Genesis is describing literal days, a night and a morning was the first day, a night and a morning were the second day, and so forth.

    B.
     
  16. Abram

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    How do you explain the 10 Commandments when God tells us to work six days and rest on the seventh for He created the earth and heavens in six days and rested on the seventh?
    There is some theories that can try to refute this. But not without going outside the Bible.

    "Thy word is true from the beginning" Psalms 119:160

    This is a issue that needs to be addressed by all Bible believers. Do you think that God could not make the world in 6 days? Why doubt his power? Why not take him at his word?

    I feel that this is a huge issue in the Christian world. It seems that many believers are saying, "Yes I believe in the Bible, but I agree with evolution on this one." Pick your belief and believe it. Take God at his word. Where in the Bible does it even suggest that it took any longer then 6 days?
     
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    Um...there is evidence of neanderthal man and none for a world wide flood. Besides the fact there isn't enough water on the earth to rise to cover all land and mountains, it is absurd to believe that the entire Earth could be covered with water for a period of time and not have any proof. Not to mention that the forces that shape our world today have always been in motion and are the same that formed the world as we presently know it. It took millions of years to get the continents to where they are now alone.

    It seems to me that to take the bible as all literal fact you undoubtedly find yourself on the losing end of education and known science. The bible is not literal...but a guide of morals and rights and wrongs...SUGGESTIONS to live life by. OPINIONS of those who wrote it. NOT fact. That has been proven time and time again.
     
  18. ΩRôghênΩ

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    I believe in the bible and i believe in an old earth. but what you said could be possibl

    alot of writings write of this flood, particularly babylonian ones
     
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    Writings and scientific evidence are two different things. Not to mention that you are still in the general area referenced to. It is quite possible that there was a flood in that particular REGION. Those there would veiw that as "the world", doesn't mean it WAS the whole world that was flooded.
     
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    I don't doubt one second that God could create the earth in six literal days. Although, 1Peter 3:8 says "beloved be not ignorrant of this one thing, that one day with the the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." Which happens to mean that God is eternal; not bound by time. However, we are bound by time and can not understand the concept of creation without the measure of time.
     
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