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Why a young earth?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Abram, Apr 14, 2006.

  1. Super Universe

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    How much does the outer core have to change to cause a flooding of 40-50% of the earth's surface? How much of an oblateness change?

    Now add in a warming after an ice age and the melting of most of the ice pack and you have what most people would call a world wide flood.

    Some of the tectonic plates slide along another, some rise as they collide with others causing great mountain ranges, and some plummet beneath others.

    Also, somehow you left out your evidence that proves a world wide flood is not possible.
     
  2. Draka

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    UM...how about...even if the ice caps totally melted it would not be enough to cover all the land. Which is what the bible claims...that ALL the land was covered by a WORLD WIDE FLOOD. Now...at no time in Earth's history have the ice caps completely melted to even accomplish what you claim...which, by the way you have provided no proof for as well. If there was anytime in history that this occured it was millions upon millions of years ago reaching so far back that we could not possibly record it as of yet. And that certainly would not fall under your, nor the bible's, definition of World Wide Flood. You are guilty of wishful thinking.
     
  3. Super Universe

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    Me guilty of wishful thinking? Absolutely! What a funny thing to assess guilt to? But I would never wishfully think of a flood that covers the earth.

    While neither of us can provide any evidence one way or the other, there still are possible ways that the earth could be flooded.
     
  4. Tiberius

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    Also, even if the icecaps did melt, there would be no significant difference in the sea levels. Remember, the ice is in the water, so the water will fit into the space left behind by the ice.

    To see for yourself, get a glass of water, put some ice in, and mark the water level. leave it out long enough for the ice to melt, and then see what's happened.
     
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    Yes, and according to the page on Wikipedia, that would result in a rise of 60 meters.

    Now, if you could please tell me how a rise in sea level of 60 meters can result in a world wide flood as described in the Bible?
     
  7. Super Universe

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    Sigh...

    If you would only look up you would surely find it.
     
  8. Tiberius

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    I look up and I see sky and clouds.

    Oh, you mean rain?

    You know where rain comes from, ye? Evaporation from the oceans.

    There is a constant amount of water on Earth. The amount of water we have on earth today is exactly the same amount as was on earth during the flood.
     
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    This is my post at the top of the page.

    An oblateness change timed with a warming could cause flooding.

    You only had to look up to find it.
     
  10. MdmSzdWhtGuy

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    Wrong wrong wrong. A worldwide flood is not a matter of opinion. It did not happen, it could not have happened, and there is absolutely no credible scientific evidence that it ever did happen, or indeed even could have happened.

    You would have to more than triple the volume of water inside the CLOSED SYSTEM of Earth's atmosphere to come close to covering Mt. Everest, which currently sits at more than 5 miles above the current sea level. If somehow you could get that immense volume of water inside the Earth's closed system (and where could this water have come from? and more importantly, where did it go?) then the atmospheric pressure would be so great as to crush the lungs of any breathing creature.

    You also have the problem of all plants being killed by being under salt water for the majority of a year. Then there is the problem of there being millions and millions of species on earth, and no wooden ship could possibly accomodate a breeding population of so many species, and good greif, I could go on for pages with all the reasons why there was not a global flood, and why there could not have been one.

    Ahh, well, dillusions apparently warm the heart.

    B.

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  11. EnhancedSpirit

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    This ice is not in the water:
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  12. Draka

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    Geesh! Ok...look, the outer core measures approximately 2270 km thick. It is composed of metallic iron and is the zone that generates the specific magnetic field of the Earth. Now, The inner core is solid and the mesosphere is made of strong hot rock. Now unless you claim that the outer core can change in thickness enough to collapse the mesosphere, asthenosphere, and lithosphere, which would in effect cause mass destruction on the surface anyway, you have no basis for your claim. Not to mention that by altering the outer core by that much would change the inherent strength of the Earth's magnetic field. Your science is lacking.
     
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    How much change did it take to create those huge waves that devestated so many last year? I don't think it's as farfetched as we may think.
     
  14. Tiberius

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    Okay, what I am saying is that the water will only rise if the ice that melts is not floating in the water. yes, I am perfectly aware of ice existing on land, and I am also aware that if this ice melts it will raise the sea level.

    My point is this:

    If we melt all the ice in Antarctica, it will only raise the sea levels by about 60 meters. If we melt the ice on other landmasses, it would raise the sea levels about what? 200 meters at most?

    Yes, it would change the coastlines dramatically. but that's not the point. The point is that it would NOT create a biblical type flood. it will NOT cover the tops of the mountains.

    Melting all the ice in the world could not possibly be responsible for Noah's flood.

    A tsunami is not a sustained rise in sea levels. The events that cause a tsunami are not the same things that would result in a worldwide flood.
     
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    SPLOGAN ~ You talk about a biblical deluge happening but you don't say when that happened. A few years ago I did a survey of over 300 archaeologist from around the world and one of the questions I asked was: " Have you or someone you know ever found any evidence of a biblical style deluge ever happenening on earth in the last 10,000 years and if so where is the evidence?" Everyone that answered back said "NO". You would think that If anyone should have found any evidence for the biblical deluge it would be archaeologist - wouldn't you. But everyone of them said there is NO evidence of one every happening in the last 11,000 years. Most biblical historians say that from the geneologies in the bible the Genesis deluge was to have happened about 2345 BC but they can't explain away the fact that Egypt was in the hight of its existance in 2345 BC.

    A few years ago my family and I were in Israel and we walked on the rubble of the 11,000 years Old Jericho. Archaeologist have dug down to base rock and found that the first people that lived there was over 11,000 ago. There never was any evidence that that hugh mound of rubble was ever covered with water of any kind in the last 11,000 years.

    Either the story in the bible is wrong or every archaeologist in the world is wrong.

    Remember the Hebrew bible is only a history of the Hebrew people, it was written by the Hebrew people for the Hebrew people and what they thought God wanted them to do. The Hebrews were NOT around at the beginning of this earth. GOD did not write one word of the bible. If God had written it there woldn't be so many contridictions in it. arlan
     
  16. herushura

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    The Time Frame in the bible span 6000 years through the Ages of Gemini, Taurus, Aries and Pisces.

    Gemini = 6380BC - Creation
    Taurus = 4220BC - Adam and Eve
    Aries = 2160BC - Abraham and Moses
    Pisces = 1BC - Jesus

    Abraham = Abram = ram/aries

    Gemini with its air element represents the Spirit of God moving over the waters in Genesis 1:2. Gemini is located above the constellation Orion. To the ancient Egyptians, Orion was Osiris, the god of light. So when God created light, he created Orion. To the Hebrews, light represented God's power.

    The Age of Taurus begins with the creation of Adam and Eve. The serpent was the constellation Serpens. Adam symbolized the constellation Bootes. And Eve was Virgo. They are located in sequence in the zodiac. When God chased them from the Garden, Virgo fell below the horizon and Perseus with his sword rose above the horizon as if to be chasing them out.

    The Age of Aries the ram starts with Abraham. His original name Abram has "ram" in it. Instead of sacrificing his son Isaac, he sacrificed a ram instead.

    The Age of Aries includes Moses. Moses personified the sun. The seminal event that marked the Age of Aries was the Passover when the Israelites painted their door with lamb's blood to protect them from the tenth plague.


    Astrology = Bible

    Pisces the fish marks the time Jesus was born. When he was born in the end of the Age of Aries, he was called the Lamb of God twice at the beginning of the Book of John.
     
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    HERUSHURA ~ what EVIDENCE do you have that the time frame for the bible is 6000 years???? arlan
     
  18. herushura

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    Thats what many Jews/Christians believe

    6,000 Year Old Earth

    Beside i get my info from the Stars
     
  19. Draka

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    You're not honestly using that site as "evidence" are you?

    There is no evidence for a "young earth". For anyone to actually believe that the earth is only some thousands of years old takes either an amazing imagination or a level of ignorance beyond any normal person.
     
  20. herushura

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    no picked from random, i use the stars

    Its not the Time frame of the Earth, its the time frame for the suns movements throught the age of Gemini to the end of aries

    When the bible use "Circle of the Earth" or "4 corners of the Earth" Its a refrence to the Zodiac
     
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