Sabour
Well-Known Member
No one dies before his death time comes. When it is your time to die, you will die whether you were in a lovely home or in a chaos war
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Who repsonsible for the death of Jesus?
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No one dies before his death time comes. When it is your time to die, you will die whether you were in a lovely home or in a chaos war
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
We all killed him. Because of our sins, because of our wickedness, we put Jesus to death.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Trial and crucifixion is an unusual way to be killed as there is no single executioner.
In essence your own body weight kills you.
So no one was the direct killer of Jesus
But many people were involved in the lead up to it, including the population who chose to save Barabbas rather than save Jesus.
To a large extent the main players could all have prevented his death, but chose not to do so. Perhaps we could say his slayers did so by sins of omission.
The Bible stories lead us to believe that he knew that his time was coming, and while not welcoming it he took not even the most basic steps to avoid it. So was he responsible for his own Death? Was God responsible? because he set the whole process in motion.
It seems that who? killed Jesus, or why people contributed to that act is far less important than the result and effect his death and resurrection has had on the world.
Even in a non religious sense it has changed the world's attitude to society, Law, punishment and mercy and empathy and acceptance and love for others.
Even to the secular world Jesus death has been a game changer.
In a religious sense it has established the largest and most influential religion the world has ever seen and that is inclusive to all people.
Not bad for a carpenters son.
In essence your own body weight kills you.
So no one was the direct killer of Jesus
But many people were involved in the lead up to it, including the population who chose to save Barabbas rather than save Jesus.
To a large extent the main players could all have prevented his death, but chose not to do so. Perhaps we could say his slayers did so by sins of omission.
The Bible stories lead us to believe that he knew that his time was coming, and while not welcoming it he took not even the most basic steps to avoid it. So was he responsible for his own Death? Was God responsible? because he set the whole process in motion.
It seems that who? killed Jesus, or why people contributed to that act is far less important than the result and effect his death and resurrection has had on the world.
Even in a non religious sense it has changed the world's attitude to society, Law, punishment and mercy and empathy and acceptance and love for others.
Even to the secular world Jesus death has been a game changer.
In a religious sense it has established the largest and most influential religion the world has ever seen and that is inclusive to all people.
Not bad for a carpenters son.
Your sins, not mine
John Martin
Active Member
We can look at it from different angles: the external situations, the people who are involved, Jesus' own stand. Death is something everyone has to face it whether we want or not. We need to blame someone or something.
If Jesus accepted his death as the will of God for him, that was his role in the big drama of this world, then there is no point of blaming anyone. He has done his role perfectly well. Just as every drama or every film has a message to convey, so the question is: what did we learn from this drama of Jesus for our life? Whom do we want to imitate? The Sadducee, the Pharisees, the priests, Pilate, the Fisher men, the tax collectors, the prostitutes, the common people? Everyone acted well their roles: it is for us now to decide. It is not useful to ask the question, who is responsible for Jesus' death? The question might be: what did I learn from the death of Jesus?
If Jesus accepted his death as the will of God for him, that was his role in the big drama of this world, then there is no point of blaming anyone. He has done his role perfectly well. Just as every drama or every film has a message to convey, so the question is: what did we learn from this drama of Jesus for our life? Whom do we want to imitate? The Sadducee, the Pharisees, the priests, Pilate, the Fisher men, the tax collectors, the prostitutes, the common people? Everyone acted well their roles: it is for us now to decide. It is not useful to ask the question, who is responsible for Jesus' death? The question might be: what did I learn from the death of Jesus?
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yes, we do. The law works that way. If a person is killed, the perpetrator is supposed to be punished.
please...
did he suicide himself? No, dear. He was killed. Unjustly.
I learned that it is better to be victims than perpetrators. And that the just, like Jesus, will go to Heaven,
the wicked and the perpetrators, like Caiaphas will go to hell.
so...yes...Jesus' crucifixion was not for saving the just (who are already saved)
but it was for sending people like Caiaphas to Hell
Britedream
Active Member
That is true, but you are Confusing the knowledge of the time of death by God with the cause of death.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
They aren't my sins either, but that's the religious environment I grew up in.
roger1440
I do stuff
A discussion on Jesuss death without the resurrection would be only half a story. Half a story is no story at all. Its kind of like having half a car. Try driving it to work.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I was wondering, if you're Catholic, as your profile states, then how are they not your sins?