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White Christians can be Terrorists too!
- Thread starter Kori
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Buttercup
Veteran Member
Great clip. Thanks for posting.
Let's not forget the most prolific so called "Christian" terrorist in American history, Timothy McVeigh.
"In a 1996 interview, McVeigh professed belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
Do I believe McVeigh was a "true Christian"? No. I also don't believe ISIL or other radical Islamic terrorists are "true Muslims" either.
Let's not forget the most prolific so called "Christian" terrorist in American history, Timothy McVeigh.
"In a 1996 interview, McVeigh professed belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
Do I believe McVeigh was a "true Christian"? No. I also don't believe ISIL or other radical Islamic terrorists are "true Muslims" either.
While it doesn't cover the 'White' part, the Tripura Nationalist Liberation Front wants to establish a kingdom of God and Jesus Christ in Tripura. They have gunned down Hindu preachers, have threatened violence to stop Hindu festivals and have forcibly converted Hindus and non-Hindu tribals to Christianity, slaughtering those who won't. From 1999 to 2001, up to 5,000 forced conversions, often with the use of rape as a means of intimidation. Their death toll is very solidly into the hundreds.
Despite the names perhaps being misnomers, similar groups include the Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland and the Manmasi National Christian Army.
That brings us to the Lord's Resistance Army. Founded in Uganda, currently operating in Uganda, South Sudan, the Central African Republic and the Democratic Republic of Congo. The leader, Joseph Kony, is believed by followers to be a channel for the Holy Spirit. They wear rosary beads and chant Bible passages before going into battle. They want to establish a new government in Uganda with laws based on the Ten Commandments. While rather weakened now, their crimes have included massacres, rapes, the use of child soldiers, sex slavery and so forth.
Despite the names perhaps being misnomers, similar groups include the Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland and the Manmasi National Christian Army.
That brings us to the Lord's Resistance Army. Founded in Uganda, currently operating in Uganda, South Sudan, the Central African Republic and the Democratic Republic of Congo. The leader, Joseph Kony, is believed by followers to be a channel for the Holy Spirit. They wear rosary beads and chant Bible passages before going into battle. They want to establish a new government in Uganda with laws based on the Ten Commandments. While rather weakened now, their crimes have included massacres, rapes, the use of child soldiers, sex slavery and so forth.
Kori
Dark Valkyrie...what's not to love?
@Crypto2015 I would love to know what you think.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Oh, but they aren't "real Christians®."
Nah. McVeigh did state he was an agnostic during an interview. According to McVeigh himself, he was motivated by his anti-government crusade and secularism. One day we may realize that all forms of terrorism are equally just as bad, just as devastating, and just as likely to appear under certain circumstances. In many ways, what ISIS does is very similar to how the Provisional-IRA operated. But we didn't learn from what they did, but rather we have a bitter habit of only looking at the religious text(s) of a group, focus on a few details, obsess with these few details, and miss the larger picture. I know, as a fact, there is a distinctive difference between Western and Middle Eastern Muslims. The ones who grew up here are more-of-less like us. Other than the finer details of prayer rituals, there lives most likely wouldn't changed in any significant ways if they were Christian because they are Westerners, whereas those from the Middle East, they are a lot alike in many ways, but they are still distinctively "different" in many ways. But people don't often bring up the wars in India that resulted as a backlash from the British deciding borders. But they don't mention the same thing that happened in the Middle East, which we can clearly see as a catalyst that began then, one that only continually festers and pressurizes and worsens every time a foreign entity tries to dictate their lives. Could it be that we are actually doing something to provoke chants of "Death to America?" No, can't be that. We're "perfect!"
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Honestly, are anyone's hands completely clean? Even Gandhi and Dr. King had a chunk of violent supporters.
And let's remember who killed Gandhi, while we're at it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
It sure wasn't a Muslim.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
My quote is genuine. I am aware that he later stated he was agnostic because he didn't want to project his views on God in case they were misinterpreted.
He had a priest perform last rites the night before he was executed.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
When someone says "this is what motivated me," and there is sufficient evidence to back it up (such as the anti-government sentiments), I'd rather not put words in their mouth.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
I didn't put words in his mouth. I merely stated what he said regarding his religion.
The fact that he had a priest perform last rites says something unspoken, too.
My point is to bolster the OP with the notion that Christians do commit acts of terror. The reasons why almost don't matter.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That part is true. It doesn't matter who is doing the terrorism, because despite the different names and faces it has a very strong trend of being found predominately under certain circumstances, and the Middle East has been a perpetual breeding ground for those circumstances for a long time now. It doesn't justify their ways or views, but when you play fire you will get burnt. And our governments and corporations really need to rethink how they do business with the Middle East because too many people who have absolutely nothing to do with it at all are the ones being burnt over decisions made in far away lands to put people under imperialist and colonial rule.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Pretty much, every time you look and see an outside government setting up the internal structure and power of someone else's state, the people of that state tend to get pissed and turn violent, which is more than common enough response that we make saints out of those who adhere to non-violence just because of their pacifism.
People are people. And if sufficiently motivated, people have proven time and time again that their capacity for violence can cross all boundaries.
Further, the motivation for most terrorist act isn't as simple as pointing to a root cause and understanding it.
Further, the motivation for most terrorist act isn't as simple as pointing to a root cause and understanding it.
CrazyAfterlife
Member
Many would also say the KKK was and/or is a White Christian Terrorist Organization, as they have a long history with attacking those who were not White, Jews, and even Catholics. The thing is though about half or less then half of Christian terrorism is done by white, as large amounts of genocides and Christian terrorist attacks happen in Africa and is preformed by African Christians targeting non-Christian Africans, you also have the guys in India, that one cult in China who murdered that "witch", and the guys in Japan who killed people in that train station. All this doesn't mean all Christians are terrorists and in fact most are far from it, most terrorist attacks in the world are performed by Muslims((No hatred towards Islam of course, not all of them are terrorists)), and some even preformed by Atheists((Like Stalin and Communists, in my opinion)) and one I know of even done by a Asatru/Heathen.
Kori
Dark Valkyrie...what's not to love?
All Religions have their Extreme elements. Christians and Muslims are the main ones though. All other Religions tend to leave people alone because they themselves have been targeted. Yes there are some radical Hindus and so on that have done horrible things however even inside their nations the attacks are not in mass numbers for a sustainable time like other groups. Cults and Religions do this and that here and there but one really needs to call it what it is and talk about it then take action. Playing word games saying: "They are not real Christians." That sounds nice,kinda, but it doesn't really solve any problems. If a Christian Terrorist knows his groups will face a backlash it MAY cause him or her to really think about it. Not all will do that but knowing if your group will be harmed by your actions do influence what actions you take.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Kori
Dark Valkyrie...what's not to love?
Fundamentalism is really-really scary!
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What makes them so scary is their number one goal is to force others to believe what they believe. That never turns out good for anyone.