The Sum of Awe
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Does the sperm have half a soul and egg the other half or what?
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When in the egg does the soul enter the body?
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thespiritoftruth
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the soul inters the body during the quickening(the the woman first feels the life kick or jump)
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
I say "Define soul".
And is there a single moment when we can say that life/the soul/etc starts? or is it more like the transition from night to day, where there is no single instant where we say say it stops being night and becomes day, but rather gradually fades from one to the other?
And is there a single moment when we can say that life/the soul/etc starts? or is it more like the transition from night to day, where there is no single instant where we say say it stops being night and becomes day, but rather gradually fades from one to the other?
ninerbuff
godless wonder
So before that it's just a lump of flesh?
Unlike most RF debates, this one is easily resolved: The soul enters the body the first time the newborn hears a recording of Anita Baker singing, "Caught Up in the Rapture of Love".
Skwim
Veteran Member
So it's a matter of the mother's nervous system. The soul stands by until mom feels the kid kick, then ZIP, WHAM, Here I am!
Kind of an oxygen requirement thing then?Tarheeler said:
In Islam the soul is believed to be in the fetus by the 120th day. That is the majority opinion, although some scholars/schools of thought (Maliki being one of them) states it's by the 40th day.
That's a religious view; my personal feelings may be different, however.
That's a religious view; my personal feelings may be different, however.
Kind of an oxygen requirement thing then?
Only from a biological standpoint.
From a spiritual one, it's kind of a "...and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul" thing.
TurkeyOnRye
Well-Known Member
When does the soul enter the body?
I was under the impression it was always present.
I was under the impression it was always present.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
that may ring true for Adam, but i dont think the same can be said for all who came after him. He was created from dust whereas we are created from life...very different.
All life exists by Gods spirit and therefore, we must begin our life at conception
Interesting how different people can interpret the same thing, huh?
I don't see "dust" as being literal; I take it as simply meaning organic material. And we're all made of that. I don't think that our life and our soul are tied together from the inception; our bodies are from the earth, our souls from God. They merge at birth and when we die each goes back to their source.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
It depends on what definition of nephesh one uses. What definition of nephesh do you use?
I don't.
I can't even begin to decipher ancient Hebrew, let alone attempt to translate it.
I'll let the Biblical and Hebrew scholars lead the way on translating the Torah.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
But how if your body is not always present?
TurkeyOnRye
Well-Known Member
Your body, as you perceive it, is not always present.
Paramahamsa Yogananda stated that the soul enters at the moment of conception; before that, the individualized soul is not present in either the egg or the sperm.
As for defining the soul, it's basically our true identity after we strip away all the things we are not (body, intellect, emotions, etc.)
As for defining the soul, it's basically our true identity after we strip away all the things we are not (body, intellect, emotions, etc.)
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
I'm still waiting for an answer to this. It seems that we can hardly talk about something unless we define what it is that we are talking about.
So anyone want to have a go at defining soul for us?
I'm surprised no one else has said anything about the idea that there isn't a single definite moment where we go from not having a soul (whatever it is) to having one. After all, we see such gradual changes throughout human life. When does a person stop being a child? When does a person start or finish puberty? When does a person become middle aged?
Why does no one seem to agree with me?