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What were the scriptures Paul was referring to?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Youtellme, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. Youtellme

    Youtellme Active Member

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    At 2 Timothy 3:16 Paul says that All is inspired by God...my question is, what were those scriptures that he thought to be inspired? The OT? His writtings? Even those not written yet? The Apocrypha? Thoughts please.
     
  2. Faithfreedom

    Faithfreedom i gotta change my avatar

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    Definitely the OT as he was brought up on them.
     
  3. Youtellme

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    Does that mak ethe NT un-inspired?
     
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    First of all, and perhaps most importantly, Paul did not write 2 Timothy - it came much, much later than the Pauline epistles.

    I don't know why 2 Tim 3:16 says this, but its almost certain that it refers to the OT - cheifly because the NT writings were not yet collected and considered "Scripture."
     
  5. Faithfreedom

    Faithfreedom i gotta change my avatar

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    Nope, i was just saying that its a sure bet that Paul would have at least the OT in mind since he was brought up in them. He was a zealot.
     
  6. Rick B

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    The OT Scriptures.
     
  7. smokydot

    smokydot Well-Known Member

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    Peter groups Paul's letters with the Scriptures.

    ". . .(Paul's) letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." (2 Pet 3:16)
     
  8. Youtellme

    Youtellme Active Member

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    Yes, thanks for that, I was going to mention that at some point.
     
  9. smokydot

    smokydot Well-Known Member

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    And Paul says that his doctrine. . .even his words. . .and his authority are from Jesus Christ.
     
  10. angellous_evangellous

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    ... but was he right?
     
  11. smokydot

    smokydot Well-Known Member

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    Peter thought so. He groups Paul's letter with the other Scriptures.

    That he was right is a matter of faith, of whether you believe what the Bible says. . .or in this case, whether Paul was lying or not
    when he says his doctrine, even its words, and his authority are all from Christ.
     
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  12. Smoke

    Smoke Done here.

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    Whether he was right or not, presenting his own claims as "proof" of his claims requires tremendous gullibility and intellectual dishonesty.
     
  13. smokydot

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    Not if they're true. . .the other apostles believed him.

    The proof he offered was his revelation from Jesus Christ, which the apostles accepted and approved.

    Christian truth is based in the authority of the revelator, not in logical proof. . .nor is it subject to human logic and reasoning.

    What kind of God is limited to human thinking? That would make him much too small to be God.
     
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  14. Ben Masada

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    IMHO, he needed to let that statement go because, when he appeared for the first time in Jerusalem preaching about Jesus as Christ, son of God, and that he had resurrected, he was chased upon to be arrested and brought to Court. He escaped only by the grace of the Sect of the Nazarenes, whose Elders took him down to Caesarea, and from there back to Tarsus where he belonged. (Acts 9:30,31)
    Ben
     
  15. smokydot

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    That would be the OT.

    Peter groups Paul's letters with Scripture.

    Seems the Apostles viewed their transmissions as new Scripture.

    And since believing the apostolic testimony of the NT is a matter of faith and not proof anyway, one either believes it or not.
    For those who believe it, its truth is not a matter of debate.
     
  16. Nadia Faiazova

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    Hi! Evidently, Paul was referring to the Scriptures Jews were used to learn from . And this includes the writings of the Christian Greek Scriptures along with “the rest of the Scriptures.” (2 Pet. 3:15, 16)
     
  17. Eileen

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    I must disagree. Most of Shaul's teaching was based on OT and that is what Peter is saying hear. They twist Shaul's teaching on Tanakh verses just like they twist the other verses included in Tanakh.
     
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