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what kind of God?
- Thread starter syo
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syo
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maybe they deliberately omit that part. edit - or they really don't know.
Audie
Veteran Member
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
We want to be God or ultimate master. Does that help?
Audie
Veteran Member
Who are "we"? I've no such wish. Cant say I kmow
anyone who does. You might as well say I want to
be a crocodile. I do not.
"Ultimate master" will do for sci fi, or some religion,
but it is a meaningless concept for people.
Where do you even get this stuff? At best.
you are projecting (sorry) your own traits
onto others. "We" aint you!
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
If a tesseract shaped extra dimensional nearly omniscient being were to traverse in front of any highly evolved 3 dimensional shaped great apes such as ourselves, then we would only see a 3 dimensional slice of this extra dimensional being appear out of nowhere and then vanish into thin air. We would not be able to see anywhere near the physical mind of this hypercube shaped extra-dimensional nearly omniscient being.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Yet, here you are, saying that as a class, skeptics don't want me to project any ideas upon them, because THEY ARE IN CHARGE.
Audie
Veteran Member
Oh dear, you are at it again. Making things up.
Jumi
Well-Known Member
Don't think almost anyone chooses a god in the way described by the original post. If I could choose, I certainly wouldn't believe in a God of the kind I now have. If anything, I would be cool if I could rewind time back to before I experienced it.
Have had more negative discussions with theists, some of who think you're like fresh meat to be cooked. They believe you can be freely insulted because now you have a God and are asking to be hammered into some religious beliefs they have because it says so in a book. They believe you will blindly accept their authority and a book, even if you experienced more than they have they will ignore it. Because it's not something their willing to admit.
Some atheists have also become more unreasonable and have these kind of routines they go through with every theist where you ignore the other person and follow a playbook. They won't notice anything even if you agree with them on something.
Have had more negative discussions with theists, some of who think you're like fresh meat to be cooked. They believe you can be freely insulted because now you have a God and are asking to be hammered into some religious beliefs they have because it says so in a book. They believe you will blindly accept their authority and a book, even if you experienced more than they have they will ignore it. Because it's not something their willing to admit.
Some atheists have also become more unreasonable and have these kind of routines they go through with every theist where you ignore the other person and follow a playbook. They won't notice anything even if you agree with them on something.
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Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
Science never claimed life came from nothing.
Isn't that your claim?
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Humans were made with the capacity for worship. All persons have had some obsessions/compulsions/venerate objects or ideals. If you make a counterclaim that you don't place anything in high esteem, I will argue that is because you venerate yourself above all others/all things, a common idol for skeptics.
I 'venerate' truth. But I am an atheist. So, being an atheist isn't a contradiction to holding *something* in veneration. It just means we don't believe in deities. And it doesn't mean we want to be in control. I, for one, definitely do NOT.
It does?
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Who would you yield control to, and why?
Yes. For example, the subjective experience of consciousness has no natural law, no property of matter, no force of nature, defining it. Yet materialists assume it's material, or an illusion (whatever that is), or an emergent property (whatever that is). There is no philosophical justification to assume that consciousness is at root material, no matter how tightly correlated it is with brain function.
I've met atheists who believe that consciousness is immaterial. Some atheists believe in souls, ghosts, ESP, all sorts of stuff. The only thing that the label "atheist" refers to is how many gods a person believes in:
- if the number is zero, the person is an atheist.
- if the number is 1 or more, the person is a theist (and if it's exactly 1, they're a monotheist).
That's it.
I have never encountered this perspective before. Seems to me they need to categorize the subjective experience of consciousness (for example) as either an illusion or an emergent property (whatever that is) or some such.
I have a hard time believing in a good God who created (or allowed someone else to create) a universe having conscious suffering. But I also have a hard time accepting that such intricate and exquisite phenomena (including the fact of the universe itself) are the results of mere randomness, nothing else, no conscious entity intervening.