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What is the greatest illusion?

Discussion in 'Theism' started by rsd, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. godnotgod

    godnotgod Thou art That

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    It is just a figure of speech; a metaphor.:D

    "All this world is filled with coming and going*;
    show me the path where there is no coming and there is no going"


    * ie; 'birth and death'
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    The Human Route

    Coming empty-handed, going empty-handed – that is human.
    When you are born, where do you come from?
    When you die, where do you go?
    Life is like a floating cloud which appears.
    Death is like a floating cloud which disappears.
    The floating cloud itself originally does not exist.
    Life and death, coming and going, are also like that.
    But there is one thing which always remains clear.
    It is pure and clear, not depending on life and death.
    Then what is the one pure and clear thing?

    Zen Master Seung Sahn
     
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  2. zenzero

    zenzero Its only a Label

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    Friend,

    No-path is the only path where nothing comes or goes its all empty ; eternity to eternity!

    Love & rgds
     
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    The now flows into the next fluid moment. Eternity is this fluid moment. And tommorow never arrives. Hence there is an actual reality, and then the, "reality" we perceive. We've all only known and experienced the later. So in this sense our life perception is only an evolving illusion. More than proof that humanity could only come to exist via a Supremely Intelligent Creator before us. At least according to my life's logical seeming illusion.
     
  4. godnotgod

    godnotgod Thou art That

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    There is neither path, nor no-path, emptiness nor no-emptiness, neither coming or going.
     
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    There is neither godnotgod or zenzero or any thing or no things, beings or no-beings etc.

    Love & rgds
     
  6. godnotgod

    godnotgod Thou art That

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    "Fundamentally, not one thing exists"
    Sixth Zen Patriarch
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    When the Tesshu, a master of Zen, calligraphy and swordsmanship, was a young man he called on the Zen master Dokuon. Wishing to impress Dokuon he said:


    “The mind, the Buddha, and all sentient beings after all do not exist. The true nature of phenomenon is emptiness. There is no realisation, no delusion, no sagacity, no mediocrity, nothing to give and nothing to receive."


    Dokuon promptly hit him with a bamboo stick. Tesshu became quite furious.


    Dokuon said quietly: “If nothing exists, where did this anger come from?”:D
     
  7. zenzero

    zenzero Its only a Label

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    Friend godnotgod,

    There is neither anger nor no anger, neither discussions nor no-discussion.
    The post are all empty still some one quotes from other sources.

    Love & rgds
     
  8. godnotgod

    godnotgod Thou art That

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    Who is it that lives?

    Who is it that dies?
     
  9. Jinse

    Jinse Lawrence's other half

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    Indifference. We see others as a separate being from our own self. We never realize that the *I* and the *you* should work together and serve the balance in this world.
     
  10. zenzero

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    Who is it that is discussing or even stating the above??

    Love & rgds
     
  11. godnotgod

    godnotgod Thou art That

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    There is no one who is discussing or stating the above; there is only discussing and stating of the above.

    Where is the 'discusser'? Where is the 'stater'?
     
  12. Falvlun

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    Do you think that our concept of what constitutes reality is the illusion, or that the illusion is that reality exists?

    Personally, while I don't presume that our perception of what *is* is complete, or portrays all aspects of what *is*, I do believe it is an accurate portrayal of what we can perceive.

    I choose to call that reality, since it corresponds with the part of the whole humans are able to perceive. Some alien life with other senses and powers of perception may not recognize what I consider reality to be reality, as I would not recognize its reality.
     
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    As for the OP, I think one of the most powerful and basic illusions of humanity is that we are the center of the universe, its crowning achievement, and its purpose. This supports that second illusion, that the universe is therefore ours.
     
  14. zenzero

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    The discussion is long over; there is no RF and no gng or zz.
    Still something is going on? what?

    Love & rgds
     
  15. godnotgod

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    Is there an awareness beyond perception (ie: five senses) in which the apprehension of Reality by anyone is unmistakably the same, as the saltiness of the sea is unmistakably the same everywhere?
     
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    We are, in a manner of speaking, but then so is everything else. Nothing is special, and so everything is special. The flaw is that we are the only Special.
     
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    The common responses, I suppose, would be math and logic. Those should stay the same regardless of whomever is performing them.

    But I don't believe that makes math and logic a "higher" level of reality than the more malleable forms we build on our senses. It's just a different aspect of reality as a whole.

    Precisely! The belief that we are uniquely unique is the illusion. Everything is unique.
     
  18. godnotgod

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    Math and logic are still functions of the thinking, rational mind. What I was referring to is a conscious awareness outside our ordinary mode of awareness, one which most are completely unaware of. The universe continues to defy rational approaches such a math and logic because these exercises are descriptions of reality, rather than ones revealing the true nature of reality. What I am suggesting to you is a state of mind that is non-rational, one that utilizes the intuitive path of seeing rather than thinking.

    You and I may approach 'reality' from two different viewpoints at the beginning, but as our opinions and concepts drop away, we arrive at a common view in which we both see the same reality. Why should it be any different?
     
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  19. godnotgod

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    no-gng not-conversing with no-zz, LOL.
     
  20. zenzero

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    True, still the posts are getting responded to!
    The point raised earlier was that illusions too are real even temporarily and cannot be denied.
    Day follows night or vice versa meaning both exists. Likewise soul and body are two ends of the same scale i.e. form and no-forms, things & no-things etc. and all dualities, likewise.

    Love & rgds
     
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