TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
This one goes to the Atheist who 'believes' they dont believe in any creator.
I love reading scientific publications, (and hopefully understand most of its content) and somehow learned that the Atheist likes to say they are sure there is no such a thing as a God.
Some will say, due to the abscence of evidence, they can conclude that there is no such a thing. Others simply just say, there is not, period.
The Christian, on the other hand 'believes' in a supernatural Creator. Note I say BELIEVES.
For some reason or another, the Atheist just hates such a prospect, and from experience I found that the Atheist just hates the thought of the existance of a Creator God!
To themit is sacred scientific blasphemy, and anyone saying there is a God, must be set on their place to display to the world that not only are such believers wrong, but totally in disregard of science, and somehow not so intelligent.
And, again out of experience, I find that the atheist wont hesitate to turn vulgar towards the Christian believer, forcing institutions, organisations, and even law to silent such people of this belief.
Why they are so arrogant against the Christian believer is beyond my understanding, but again, when I was an Atheist, I also thought it wize to verbally attack anyone who spoke about God in my presence.
However, Now that I learned that there is God, I find the Atheist is actually not so sincere about their facts and beliefs.
It is the old story of who was first, the egg or....
Lets look at what the facts show:
Is this one of those "the atheist secretly believes in a god" things?
This is so tiring...
The Christian God
- The Atheist normally claims that there is no scientific method to determine the existance of a Creator, such as the Christians' God.
Wrong. Instead: The atheist observes that the christian fails to provide any evidence for this god, as well as fails to define said god in any independently objectively verifiable manner.
It's not upto the atheist to come up with ways to support / prove the christian god. It's the christian's burden of proof. The atheist just observes that they aren't capable of meeting that burden.
So, not a "fact". Instead some kind of attempt at shifting the burden of proof.
- This Christian God exists outside the realm of Time and Space, is everlasting, and does not have an end. (exactly what it means to exist outside of Time)
- This God does not exist in space, He is not bound by an outline, area, or physical entity. (exactly what it means to exist outside of Space)
- This Creator was the cause of everything we know exists today, from the smallest of particle, to the grandest of Universes
- Before all this, only God was
The Scientific God (which the Atheist adores)
This is the consenses of scientists such as Lindae, Hawkins, etc.
- Before the Big Bang, only the laws of physics existed, and with the forces of natural gravity, somehow a vacuum bubble appeared, and through this uneven gravitational fields, more bubbles grew to exponentional sizes.
- Particles, much smaller that what we can immagine, even smaller than the Higgs Bousson particles, popped up in more vacuumes in this false vacuum, and matter came into being.
- This matter then, with the help of gravitational fields, increased so spectacularly, that it formed the centrepoint of the universe as we know it, and exploaded into what we know as the universe today.
That was not only a pathetic attempt, it also completely confuses scientists with atheists.
Science is not atheism. Atheism is not science.
You're all over the place.
OK, now the angle.
The scientist believes that the whole of creation came into being due to "gravitational forces and the laws of physics.
If the Laws of Physics and Gravity kick started the universe, where did this gravitational fields bound by the laws of physics came from?
Whatever was "before" the universe (quotes, because what would that mean in a world without time?), according to your own argument, has no beginning and no end and is thus eternal and, again according to your argument, that requires no further explanation. That settles it.
So, these fields and laws didn't need to come from anywhere. They just were.
You may start your special pleading argument now.
(note that I'm just humoring your silly argument now - don't confuse this for me agreeing that you accurately described my view / beliefs, because you certainly haven't)
The scientist claim, it was there before anything existed, in a state external from space and Time, IOW, it always existed before there was space and time.
Why does it mean that this gravitational field was bound by the laws of physics?
Because without any intellectual regulations, and natural laws, this gravitational fields would not be able to kick start this Big Bang that contains laws and rules to abide by.
Therefore, even the atheist believes the whole creation was Created by a Creator, that existed forever, has intellect, and are not contained within the known space of the universe.
No. The atheist doesn't make that silly jump to personhood.
How funny how you tried to sneak that last part in at the end: "...was Created by a Creator, that existed forever, has intellect..."
You're even being intellectually dishonest when running with a strawman.
Priceless.
Now, what is the difference between your god, and the Christian God?
I don't believe in a god. Or gods.