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What is "The Absolute"?

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by betlamed, Jun 6, 2016.

  1. betlamed

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    Is there anything beyond "it is not relative to anything else", which we can say about the absolute?
     
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    jeager106 Learning more about Jehovah.
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    Yes:
    Simple Definition of absolute
    • : complete and total
      : not limited in any way
    • : having unlimited power
    • So what are you attempting to say?
    Is there a point of some sort?
     
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    Well, if I were already sure about that, I'd have made that point. I'm really trying to find out whether there is a point to be made or not...
     
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    I appreciate your confusion.
    Being an atheist are you sure your views are valid and correct given you don't make
    any point in this thread?
     
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    It was a question, not a statement. Somebody might add something, and that might help me and others get a better view on the topic. (I might make a point later on, let's see about that...)
     
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    It's an idealistic abstraction.
     
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    When I see the phrase "the Absolute", it reminds me of its use in apophatic theology, and by some Advaitan writers to mean the unknowable, ineffable source of the universe. The term points to the idea that we can't define it, and indeed, can't even know what it is. I'm not sure from what context you're deriving the phrase, but this is my understanding of it.
     
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    It is probably a fact of existence, but very much related to everything else. Brahman. The underlying substrate of all things in the universe, nothing excluded.
    Yeah, we do not understand it fully at this time, but perhaps in time, a few generations or a few centuries, we will know more about it.
     
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    Is it nothing BUT an abstraction? Can we even hope to know whether "the absolute" exists, or does existence simply make no sense with an abstraction like that? (IOW, is it substantial?)
     
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    Here's the thing, I always have the impression that "absolute" by itself really should not have to be put into any context.

    If "absolute" is the opposite of "relative", i.e., "absolute" expands to "not relative to anything, and specifically not dependent on anything", which I think is the most obvious definition there is, then indeed no context is necessary.

    But of course, people do use words for all kinds of things, so I guess I might say my context is from western philosophy, possibly applied to eastern religion...

    I think most issues wrt "THE absolute" arise precisely at the moment when one adds the article. It makes the absolute into a thing. And then we can start merrily adding all kinds of attributes to this thing, all the while professing that it is indeed not definable and without any attributes.
     
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    Don't know. Don't care. The universe will continue as it does without my speculating on an abstraction that is abstractly beyond attributes.
     
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    Umm... then why take part in a discussion thread about it?
     
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    In support of Pragmatism--I don't like how it sometimes gets relabeled as Maya by those enthralled by "The Absolute."
     
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    Hehe. So you do care about its definition!
     
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    To clarify, I don't like how pragmatism gets relabeled as Maya by some who are enthralled by The Absolute.
     
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    Yes.
    - It is not relative to anything else.
    - The Swiss came up with the idea.
    - It comes in many flavors.

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