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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Xavier Graham, Sep 21, 2022.

  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Well-Known Member

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    OP is "what is marriage?
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Marriage is the committed relationship of a man and woman to create a permanent family, usually involving the birthing and rearing of children. It is sacred because 1. it protects against the pain and suffering of a life of heart rending breakups, and 2. it creates the ideal environment for children.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I am a woman, speaking for myself. I am never a sex slave, even in marriage. I find your suggestion to be deeply offensive.
     
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    muhammad_isa Well-Known Member

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    Well, you haven't read this thread properly, then..
    It was not me that suggested such a thing. :oops:
     
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    And in the secular west, they are allowed to do so also.



    :rolleyes:
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Veteran Member

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    Yes it was. On multiple occasions.
    And I'm not the only one that noticed it.

    You didn't use the words "sex slave". But what you described is pretty much exactly that.
     
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    muhammad_isa Well-Known Member

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    Precisely.

    In your opinion..
    I would never think like that.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Yes, that is what you described, even if you didn't use the words "sex slave."
     
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    Not an opinion.

    You flat out said that once a woman consented with marriage (said "I do"), that that can be assumed as "consent" with all sexual encounters with here husband from that day on.

    As I told you earlier, you are just defining the word "rape" out of existence by simply stating that being married implies always consenting. Even though you know full well that that is garbage.

    You VERY CLEARLY stated that consenting to marriage = consenting to consummation of said marriage.

    The only possible conclusion from that statement, is that the man can throw himself at his wife any time he pleases and it would never be rape, because of the label "married".

    This is what a sex slave is. Someone you can throw yourself at and who isn't allowed to say "no".
     
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    That's not a "sex-slave" .
    You use "sex-slave" as a derogatory term, that is designed to undermine the sacredness of marriage.
    I do not imply that a man should not be kind to his wife, and have consideration for her feelings.

    Why should a woman want to be married to a person like that?

    ..anyhow, as I have already said it is considered consent "in law" .
     
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    Sure it is.

    A sex-slave is someone that the "master" can have sex with any time he pleases while the "slave" isn't allowed to refuse it.

    And since you have defined marriage as some kind of setting within which rape is not possible, then that means that the guy gets to throw himself at her any time he pleases - regardless of what she thinks.

    Duh.

    I don't consider anything "sacred" since I am not religious.
    In any case, it's you who's defining it that way. Apparently, you think that the husband being able to throw himself at his wife any time he pleases, regardless of what the wife thinks, is part of the "sacredness of marriage".

    Well, you can keep that "marriage" in that case.
    And stay away from my daughter as well.

    So a wife gets to refuse having sex?
    And if the man ignores her refusal and forces himself on her anyway, did he then rape his wife?

    To me, that is both rape and domestic violence.
    Both extremely serious offences.

    It's not.

    Over here in the civilized world, husbands raping their wives is very serious.
     
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    Marriage is a union of a man and women that is optimized for adult development and intimacy, procreation and child raising.

    The reason male and female is the traditional marriage, is because only this combination can procreate and also have an instinctive connection to their own children, which maximizes each other and the needs of their children. It is harder to raise someone's else child since this takes more will power and but has less instinct to smooth over the rough edges. I am not saying the latter is impossible, but is far harder than two instinctive parents.

    There is also deeper reason for marriage which is connected to the operating system of the brain. Males and females both have male and female genes, which come from their parents. Males and females each use part of the full genetic blend for their conscious minds. The rest is more unconscious. This is designed by nature so male and female can complement each other. They are naturally designed to work as a team, with a team able to become more than the sum of its parts.

    The male brain is more wired front to back; visual, and the female brain is more wired side to side; verbal. Together when cross programmed the wiring can form a cross. A good marriage makes life happier and easier due to this team affect, where two partial genetic complements supplement each other, so as a team, all the DNA of the operating system can become active for both, via each other. Male and female will provide the mission data for each other through firmware dynamics.

    This cross programing dynamics can be partially understood with via the dynamics of falling in love. When one falls in love, essentially what happens is genetic based firmware of love and desire become active, the goal of which is to cross program each other, to start the process of gaining complementary data.

    Falling in love makes the beloved take on an almost mythological character where the beloved become exaggerated, so one be become blinded to flaws. You may not be able to see things everyone around can see, since you are in the fog and mist connected to the firmware of love. These firmware is not designed to last and often when it winds down couples think they have lost the magic. But this transition is really about the next phase of cross programming. Modern couple often divorce too early and abort.

    The fear of falling in love is connected to this cross programming not becoming complete, for one or both, therefore causing one to end with a corrupted install, which can mess with your mind for years; the one that got away. Traditional marriage was considered very sacred and divorce was not allowed. It often involved virgins. All these precautions were designed to make sure this was the first install and there was enough time for a clean install, so all the gears could mess and so the team could run properly.

    Some of the alternate marriage combinations, that have been socially engineered, can be good for the ego, but two people of the same sex, for example, cannot cross program the same way, since both lack the unconscious programs from the opposite sex. Instead they will use an ego processed copy that is a rendition of this natural firmware.

    For example, a transgender person can use their ego to copy opposite sex behavior like an actor playing a role. This is not the same as the innate firmware connected to biology and DNA. It can be used for the same purpose, but it cannot go the same places and provide the same type of data for the other person, since this data would require living inside another person and not just duplicating what is on the outside.

    So many modern social problems came about due to flaws in the cross programming install cycles which then impacts the next generations, etc.
     
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    As are mass shootings.. :(

    You know very well that I refer to "consent in law" in a society that values marriage.
    That applies to the roots of civilisation in the west, too.
    i.e. the Christian roots

    ..just going on about "rape" all the time is very boring.
    The subject is "what is marriage?. I know you don't believe in it..
    ..so your answer is "it'a a load of nonsense" .. no?

    If one looks into the history of marriage, we see that it is overwhelmingly a religious institution.
     
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    Changing the topic, ey?
    Clear sign of being cornered.

    That is just not true.
    Saying "I do" when getting married is not synonymous with "you get to have sex with me any time you please, regardless of what I think of it".

    I invite you to point me to any law that says otherwise.

    Raping your wife counts as rape / domestic violence.

    Marital rape - Wikipedia

    Marital rape or spousal rape is the act of sexual intercourse with one's spouse without the spouse's consent. The lack of consent is the essential element and need not involve physical violence. Marital rape is considered a form of domestic violence and sexual abuse. Although, historically, sexual intercourse within marriage was regarded as a right of spouses, engaging in the act without the spouse's consent is now widely classified as rape by many societies around the world, repudiated by international conventions, and increasingly criminalized.



    I'm just replying to your unsettling statements. I understand why you would want to avoid talking about it. It doesn't make you look good.

    I already gave my answer to the OP. You can read it here if you are interested.

    If one looks into the history of anything old, we see that it is overwhelmingly religious. Which is to be expected as it wasn't that long ago that just about any nation was theocratic in nature.

    But to play your own game of sticking to the topic: the question is what is marriage? That implies "what is it TODAY". It's not asking about what it was "historically".


    Having said that, I already have informed you that just about EVERY culture has a concept of marriage, and not always in context of religious beliefs. This is yet another thing that religions claim as their own, while it really isn't. It's just religious hijacking. Like when it is claimed that morality is "inherently religious". It simply is not the case.

    Or like how christianity tries to claim credit for the golden rule ("do unto others..."), while in reality again just about every culture in the history of humankind independently came up with that rule or a variation thereof. It predates christianity by millenia.

    Religions tend to hijack human things and claim it as their own.
     
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    muhammad_isa Well-Known Member

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    Oh boy ! :rolleyes:
    Marriage is important in Abrahamic faith for a very good reason.
    Some posters have asked me how it is "good" for society, and I try to explain.

    All you seem to be able to do is talk about a husband raping his wife!
    I know why you keep harping on about it .. you don't consider marriage and religion to be relevant in modern society.
    ..and you particularly depise Islamic theology.
     
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