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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Xavier Graham, Sep 21, 2022.

  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Well-Known Member

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    Well, apart from sorting out financial tussles, what purpose does it serve?
    Why are so many people not getting married any more?
     
  2. Xavier Graham

    Xavier Graham Your local anarchist. God is Love is Love is Love

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    Woah...

    You are insinuating that women in abusive relationships are at fault, for "being bad" or "making the wrong choice"?

    Some serious victim blaming in my opinion.
     
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  3. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Well-Known Member

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    We live and learn.
    Those who turn away from what Almighty God has revealed,
    do not judge faith to be important.
    ..so what do they seek?

    Are you suggesting that a significant amount of men who are religious would be unkind to their wives?
    I don't think that the Bible or Qur'an would support that.

    Assault is more associated with ignorance.
     
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  4. Xavier Graham

    Xavier Graham Your local anarchist. God is Love is Love is Love

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    This doesn't clarify your position in my opinion.
    ???
    You tell me. Who are we even talking about? The victim (the woman in an abusive relationship)?
     
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  5. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Well-Known Member

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    ..or what are we even talking about?

    Some people would rather not marry a person without faith.
    A person with faith is much less likely to assault their wife, imo.

    In any case, this idea of a man "raping his wife" being prosecuted
    is a secular idea, It relies on the idea that marriage is irrelevant as to consent.

    I am fully aware that there is a "competition" between sexes for power in modern society. No good comes from that.
     
  6. Xavier Graham

    Xavier Graham Your local anarchist. God is Love is Love is Love

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    ...

    Interesting thread idea.

    I fully disagree with you here.
     
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  7. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Well-Known Member

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    Why?
     
  8. Xavier Graham

    Xavier Graham Your local anarchist. God is Love is Love is Love

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    Non believers aren't necessarily immoral creatures, though you may disagree. An atheist is just as moral as a believer, as faith isn't necessarily a part in ones morality.
     
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    I can speak only for myself. Apart from having some impact on legalities (not just 'financial'), It was a public commitment to each other, and included vows we'd both agreed to around what that commitment entailed. We'd been committed and monogamous before marriage, but this spoke to the future.

    Because of a lack of compulsion? In any case, I'm not about to try and justify what other people do.

    You still seem to have avoided directly answering my question on rape, but you appear to believe rape can't happen by definition within marriage, and that marriage therefore implies some level of control or ownership. I strongly disagree with that, but even at an academic level it might be worth considering why people willingly and commonly enter into inequitable unions where a level of ownership is conferred.
     
  10. TagliatelliMonster

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    Not form any point of view.
    You made the claim that marriage protects the family.
    I asked how.

    Your answer to that should consist of an actual explanation of how it protects the family.
    Citing from books does not accomplish that.

    The very post you are replying to informed you that all cultures have a concept of marriage. Both religious and non-religious. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage.

    Meanwhile, still no actual explanation of how marriage protects the family in a way that can't be accomplished without marriage.

    Doesn't matter.

    Cheating by definition is the one sided secret breaking of agreements.
    Even ff you are in a group relationship with 3 husbands and 8 wives, and you all have an agreement that you only have sex among yourselves, then you cheat if you have sex with someone outside of that group.

    If a monogamous couple goes to swinger clubs with the agreement to only ever have sex with others under that context, with explicit mutual consent... then you are a cheater if you have sex without someone else outside of those parameters.


    I submit that what protects families is open communication among the partners and clear boundaries and then having the loyalty and respect to not cross those boundaries. To put it in the most generic terms I can think of.
     
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    Wauw............. just............ wauw.............

    So it "protects" women from rape simply by deciding FOR those people that sex within marriage is by definition not rape (WHAT????) and that sex outside of marriage is by definition rape (WHAT?????)


    Congratulations. You just raped the word "rape".

    This is really unsettling.
     
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    -Looks at the stability of sexular democracies-
    -Looks at the stability of theocratic hellholes-



    I'm inclined to disagree.
     
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    And people wonder how come women are so oppressed in theocracies.
     
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    It's not that different.

    And I'll add that to the point that it is different, I would say it is WORSE when it is the husband.
    That's the guy who is supposed to love and respect you.
     
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    maybe women no longer want to put themselves in a position where a man can legally rape her any time she wants.



    :rolleyes:
     
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    Funny. I wouldn't want to marry a person with faith. Or even date a person with faith.
    Well, I should nuance that... A person with faith where that faith dominates certain of their life choices.
    Faith with actual detectable impact on their lives.

    I couldn't deal with that.

    As a person without faith, I can tell you that in my life I have raped all the women that I wanted to rape.
    And that number is exactly zero.



    Yes. We don't expect to find such superior moral values in ancient cultures where women were treated primarily as breeding vessels and "exchange".

    Which it is.
    Being married doesn't mean you get to throw yourself at her any time you wish regardless of what she thinks.

    Right, right....

    Because women expecting not to be treated as a sex slave by their husbands, of all people - the very men that are supposed to love and respect them, is part of a competition for "power".


    /facepalm
     
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    You are not even a woman .. they can speak for themselves.
     
  18. Xavier Graham

    Xavier Graham Your local anarchist. God is Love is Love is Love

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    Well I'm sure most woman would agree that they don't want to be treated like a sex slave. A safe assumption.
     
  19. muhammad_isa

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    They might .. in the bedroom. ;)
     
  20. Xavier Graham

    Xavier Graham Your local anarchist. God is Love is Love is Love

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    Bro what the hell spousal rape is a serious issue. o_O
    A weird comment to make.
     
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