What did Jesus mean? "I AM?"
Just who is it that would desire to misrepresent Jehovah, his Son, and the Holy Sprit? The following cited scripture will explain just who that is. Paul warned - As follows:
1 "But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron" ...
1 Timothy 4:1-5 - (ASV)
These men who speak lies, would be Children of the first liar, and 'the Father of the lie." {John 8:44} These would possess a conscience similar to satan's, like seared flesh, that had been branded with a branding iron and like seared flesh, burned away. No conscience what-so-ever! Exactly like the devil!
As to these 'doctrines of demons' the Trinity Doctrine being one of them. Then the immortal Soul teaching - torment in a fiery Hell for all eternity for unrepentant sinners; all of these being the doctrines of demons spoken of by Paul. Not true Bible teachings. 1 Timothy 4:1-5 - (ASV)
To support these teachings, Trinitarians will partially quote scripture, while ignoring the context itself. A prime example of that is at John 1:1. They will quote that verse alone, while omitting all the rest of the context, which would expose their teaching, if used. So, as I said, they ignore the context to support a teaching that isn't Bible-Based. It is similar with this teaching about Jesus saying he was the "I AM."
They will direct our attention to this following scripture at John 8:58 which states the following:
"Jesus answered, `I tell you the truth. I already was before Abraham was born.' John 8:58 (W.E.N.T.)) Here is a Bible Translation that is much closer to the truth of the matter, for it says; "I already WAS." Not, "I AM!"
58 Is Jesus, really, here telling us, that he was the "I AM?"
In similar fashion Trinitarians will partially quote this scripture in Exodus. To wit:
13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? What shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. " Exodus 3:13-15 (A.S.V.)
Obviously Moses was here speaking with Jehovah, who for all intents and purposes proves the Trinitarians correct in their reasoning. Are they? It would look like, what the're saying is the truth, But is it really? Lets look at the entire context to see if they are: We'll now look at the portion these Trinitarians very carefully omit:
15 "And God said, moreover, unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations." Now! There we have it! The real truth of the matter; and I did that, by considering the entire context, without omitting anything as do the Trinitarians. Jehovah supplied Moses with his own eternal memorial, name, Jehovah, for all generations to come.
Does that, now leave us with a puzzle? What actually was it that Jesus was saying, when he said, "I AM?" Very simple! We will remember, the words of john the baptist, who said:
30 "This is the One I told you about: 'After me comes a man who has surpassed me, because He existed before me." John 1:30
This would seem to indicate, that Jesus was on the scene long before Abraham came into being. He said, "I already was." Does the Bible support that idea? Yes! It does! Note the following:
5 "Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence
with that glory I had with You before the world existed. "
John 17:5 (H.C.S.B)
(H.C.S.B.) Now! There is what Jesus was really saying when he said; "Before Abraham, "I AM." Or I was in existence!
Jesus himself supported that fact, by other statements made by him, that bear directly on his pre-exisence. Note the following:
23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am NOT of this world." John 8:23 (A.S.V.)
62 ``Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again?`` John 6:62 (N.L.T.)
24 "Father, I desire those You have given Me
to be with Me where I am. Then they will see My glory, which You have given Me because You loved Me before the world's foundation." John 17:24 (H.C.S.B.)
So, then, Jesus was on the scene, even before the World was created, and could rightfully say; "Before Abraham, I AM! Or I existed! He was a Glorious Angel while residing in the heavenly realm with his Father. Now, Im wondering what the name of this glorious Angel was! Possibly Michael, maybe! I wonder!
Beyond any doubt, Jesus was a heavenly angel prior to coming to this earth. That brings forth another thought that does great damage to this Trinity Doctrine. Now, Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning. John 1:1 This Father has a name! Jesus was right there wih him, even before this World was, as a glorious spirit angel. Being such, he too would have had to have a name. That of necessity, would have to mean, since God`s true name is Jehovah, then this angel too would have had to have a name, quite different from God`s. That`s reasonable! So, now we would have two different names; one identifying the one true God, the other identifÿing this other glorious angel, the Son of God. Two very different and distinct names; one describing the Father, the other describing the Son. So, we end up wih two very different and distinct spirit beings, each with their own name. Now , we know that Jehovah is not an Angel, but is called a Spirit being. ``God is a Spirit, and those that Worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.`` John 4:24 Now just where does this leave these Trinitarians who teach, that there are three God`s in one God, all co-eternal, all co-equal? That could never be true when not even their names are the same. Even while on this earth, the name Jesus was far different from the name of his Father, Jehovah. Jehovah's name meant among other things; "He causes to become" while Jesus name meant "Jehovah's Salvation." Even the very meaning of their names was different and distinct, one from the other.
Consider too, getting back to this Archangel Michael. His name, translates, to, "Who is like God." Now just who did Paul refer to as expessing the very character of God.? Thereby making him like God, since he was in God's image? Why that was Jesus, was it not? Paul's words:
3 "The Son radiates Gods own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven." Hebrews 1:3 (N.L.T.) He said more:
"If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who dont believe. They are UNABLE TO SEE the glorious light of the Good News. They DO NOT UNDERSTAND this message about the glory of Christ, who is THE EXACT LIKENESS OF GOD." 2 Corinthians 4:3,4 (NLT)
Taking those words into consideration, they wouldn`t also understand that, Jesus, was the Arch-Angel Michael! Most will argue this point because they really are, as Paul said, ``unable to understand, the light of the glorious good news about the Christ. So, we wouldn`t even expect them to believe it, or understand it, in that case, now would we?
The preponderance of scriptural evidence, disproves the Trinity Doctrine, disproves, the immortality of the human soul. disproves the eternal torment in a fiery hell; and actually proves by that said evidence, that Michael and Christ Jesus are one and the same person. No one though, will actually understand any of that, because satan has blinded the minds of this entire World; and has in actuality misled the entire inhabited earth, just as the Apostle John predicted he would. - Revelation 12:9 - 1 John 5:19 -
Nor will they be able to uderstand the words of Jesus, when he stated, I AM! - John 8:58 - Perhaps now, they will though!
I`m thinking, I just delivered the death blow to the Trinity Doctrine, the immortality of the human soul, the torment in a fiery hell doctrines once and for all. That very probably will not be seen either! That is just too sad! Shiner2
PS! The reason for all the Bold Print is because my CPU is fouling up big time. Needs a few repairs about now; which I'll deal with shortly!
Just who is it that would desire to misrepresent Jehovah, his Son, and the Holy Sprit? The following cited scripture will explain just who that is. Paul warned - As follows:
1 "But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron" ...
1 Timothy 4:1-5 - (ASV)
These men who speak lies, would be Children of the first liar, and 'the Father of the lie." {John 8:44} These would possess a conscience similar to satan's, like seared flesh, that had been branded with a branding iron and like seared flesh, burned away. No conscience what-so-ever! Exactly like the devil!
As to these 'doctrines of demons' the Trinity Doctrine being one of them. Then the immortal Soul teaching - torment in a fiery Hell for all eternity for unrepentant sinners; all of these being the doctrines of demons spoken of by Paul. Not true Bible teachings. 1 Timothy 4:1-5 - (ASV)
To support these teachings, Trinitarians will partially quote scripture, while ignoring the context itself. A prime example of that is at John 1:1. They will quote that verse alone, while omitting all the rest of the context, which would expose their teaching, if used. So, as I said, they ignore the context to support a teaching that isn't Bible-Based. It is similar with this teaching about Jesus saying he was the "I AM."
They will direct our attention to this following scripture at John 8:58 which states the following:
"Jesus answered, `I tell you the truth. I already was before Abraham was born.' John 8:58 (W.E.N.T.)) Here is a Bible Translation that is much closer to the truth of the matter, for it says; "I already WAS." Not, "I AM!"
58 Is Jesus, really, here telling us, that he was the "I AM?"
In similar fashion Trinitarians will partially quote this scripture in Exodus. To wit:
13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? What shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. " Exodus 3:13-15 (A.S.V.)
Obviously Moses was here speaking with Jehovah, who for all intents and purposes proves the Trinitarians correct in their reasoning. Are they? It would look like, what the're saying is the truth, But is it really? Lets look at the entire context to see if they are: We'll now look at the portion these Trinitarians very carefully omit:
15 "And God said, moreover, unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations." Now! There we have it! The real truth of the matter; and I did that, by considering the entire context, without omitting anything as do the Trinitarians. Jehovah supplied Moses with his own eternal memorial, name, Jehovah, for all generations to come.
Does that, now leave us with a puzzle? What actually was it that Jesus was saying, when he said, "I AM?" Very simple! We will remember, the words of john the baptist, who said:
30 "This is the One I told you about: 'After me comes a man who has surpassed me, because He existed before me." John 1:30
This would seem to indicate, that Jesus was on the scene long before Abraham came into being. He said, "I already was." Does the Bible support that idea? Yes! It does! Note the following:
5 "Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence
with that glory I had with You before the world existed. "
John 17:5 (H.C.S.B)
(H.C.S.B.) Now! There is what Jesus was really saying when he said; "Before Abraham, "I AM." Or I was in existence!
Jesus himself supported that fact, by other statements made by him, that bear directly on his pre-exisence. Note the following:
23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am NOT of this world." John 8:23 (A.S.V.)
62 ``Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again?`` John 6:62 (N.L.T.)
24 "Father, I desire those You have given Me
to be with Me where I am. Then they will see My glory, which You have given Me because You loved Me before the world's foundation." John 17:24 (H.C.S.B.)
So, then, Jesus was on the scene, even before the World was created, and could rightfully say; "Before Abraham, I AM! Or I existed! He was a Glorious Angel while residing in the heavenly realm with his Father. Now, Im wondering what the name of this glorious Angel was! Possibly Michael, maybe! I wonder!
Beyond any doubt, Jesus was a heavenly angel prior to coming to this earth. That brings forth another thought that does great damage to this Trinity Doctrine. Now, Jesus was with the Father from the very beginning. John 1:1 This Father has a name! Jesus was right there wih him, even before this World was, as a glorious spirit angel. Being such, he too would have had to have a name. That of necessity, would have to mean, since God`s true name is Jehovah, then this angel too would have had to have a name, quite different from God`s. That`s reasonable! So, now we would have two different names; one identifying the one true God, the other identifÿing this other glorious angel, the Son of God. Two very different and distinct names; one describing the Father, the other describing the Son. So, we end up wih two very different and distinct spirit beings, each with their own name. Now , we know that Jehovah is not an Angel, but is called a Spirit being. ``God is a Spirit, and those that Worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.`` John 4:24 Now just where does this leave these Trinitarians who teach, that there are three God`s in one God, all co-eternal, all co-equal? That could never be true when not even their names are the same. Even while on this earth, the name Jesus was far different from the name of his Father, Jehovah. Jehovah's name meant among other things; "He causes to become" while Jesus name meant "Jehovah's Salvation." Even the very meaning of their names was different and distinct, one from the other.
Consider too, getting back to this Archangel Michael. His name, translates, to, "Who is like God." Now just who did Paul refer to as expessing the very character of God.? Thereby making him like God, since he was in God's image? Why that was Jesus, was it not? Paul's words:
3 "The Son radiates Gods own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven." Hebrews 1:3 (N.L.T.) He said more:
"If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who dont believe. They are UNABLE TO SEE the glorious light of the Good News. They DO NOT UNDERSTAND this message about the glory of Christ, who is THE EXACT LIKENESS OF GOD." 2 Corinthians 4:3,4 (NLT)
Taking those words into consideration, they wouldn`t also understand that, Jesus, was the Arch-Angel Michael! Most will argue this point because they really are, as Paul said, ``unable to understand, the light of the glorious good news about the Christ. So, we wouldn`t even expect them to believe it, or understand it, in that case, now would we?
The preponderance of scriptural evidence, disproves the Trinity Doctrine, disproves, the immortality of the human soul. disproves the eternal torment in a fiery hell; and actually proves by that said evidence, that Michael and Christ Jesus are one and the same person. No one though, will actually understand any of that, because satan has blinded the minds of this entire World; and has in actuality misled the entire inhabited earth, just as the Apostle John predicted he would. - Revelation 12:9 - 1 John 5:19 -
Nor will they be able to uderstand the words of Jesus, when he stated, I AM! - John 8:58 - Perhaps now, they will though!
I`m thinking, I just delivered the death blow to the Trinity Doctrine, the immortality of the human soul, the torment in a fiery hell doctrines once and for all. That very probably will not be seen either! That is just too sad! Shiner2
PS! The reason for all the Bold Print is because my CPU is fouling up big time. Needs a few repairs about now; which I'll deal with shortly!
