"We are That"

[Ouroboros]

at some 'point' one item takes the lead and the other follows.

But what lead to the first item? What item made the first item to be first? The first item made itself to be first?

substance as creation....God as Creator.
we get to ask Him how He came to be....when we get there.

Substance is an illusion. Null-point theory of particle physics claim there's no volume to a particle. And current theories start to lean towards information rather than substance. What came first? Spirit or information?

until then God first
Someone had to be first.

Or something had to be before someone. At least that's how it works by experience. That's what we know how things are. Things first. Person after.

 

[Thief]

Did God observe before he created?

the text I have ....God declared His creation 'good' ....after... each effort

 

[Ouroboros]

the text I have ....God declared His creation 'good' ....after... each effort

Text this. Text that. There are many texts. Your text is your preference. How do you know from your text what God is? Give me your text of what God is made of. Also, give definition of effort from your text.

 

[Thief]

But what lead to the first item? What item made the first item to be first? The first item made itself to be first?


Substance is an illusion. Null-point theory of particle physics claim there's no volume to a particle. And current theories start to lean towards information rather than substance. What came first? Spirit or information?


Or something had to be before someone. At least that's how it works by experience. That's what we know how things are. Things first. Person after.

Spirit first....substance as creation.

sit still and think about it.

substance does not beget the living.

 

[Thief]

Text this. Text that. There are many texts. Your text is your preference. How do you know from your text what God is? Give me your text of what God is made of. Also, give definition of effort from your text.

the text gave me 'something' to think about.
I realized Someone was behind all of this reality......
God the Creator

 

[metis]

the text I have ....God declared His creation 'good' ....after... each effort

And exactly how do you know your text actually refers to an actual "creation" versus being used as allegory? Were you the author who knows exactly why these accounts were written as they were? You know, there are other positions other than slipping into literalism.

 

[Ouroboros]

Spirit first....substance as creation.

So say you. So say not me.

sit still and think about it.

I have. For 40 years. Now you sit still and think.

substance does not beget the living.

And spirit doesn't beget substance.

They're the unholy twins of existence that can never be untwined. Both in an eternal struggle of chaos and order. Two sides of a coin that is flipped, spinning, and never landing on either side.

 

[Thief]

But that's all based on assumptions that cannot in any way be verified. That's fine as far as belief is concerned, but beliefs are not always correct. Therefore, I much prefer the "I don't know" stance because I am not forced to take positions and manufacture dogmas based on nothing more than mere assumptions. "Infinity" is a viable contender, but I simply do not know if it's correct.

and neither do theoretical physicists....
M. Kaku did say.....theoretical physics has a 'problem' with infinity.

I don't

 

[Ouroboros]

the text gave me 'something' to think about.
I realized Someone was behind all of this reality......
God the Creator

To you it did.

It doesn't to me.

I sat down and thought about it. That's why your text doesn't tell me anything.

 

[Thief]

And exactly how do you know your text actually refers to an actual "creation" versus being used as allegory? Were you the author who knows exactly why these accounts were written as they were? You know, there are other positions other than slipping into literalism.

and God said to Moses when questioned for a name....
Tell the people ....I AM!....and they that understand will know.....

I get it.

 

[Thief]

To you it did.

It doesn't to me.

I sat down and thought about it. That's why your text doesn't tell me anything.

too bad.....

 

[Thief]

So say you. So say not me.


I have. For 40 years. Now you sit still and think.


And spirit doesn't beget substance.

They're the unholy twins of existence that can never be untwined. Both in an eternal struggle of chaos and order. Two sides of a coin that is flipped, spinning, and never landing on either side.

I'm 60.
and substance is not 'self' starting.

 

[Ouroboros]

and neither do theoretical physicists....
M. Kaku did say.....theoretical physics has a 'problem' with infinity.

I don't

I don't either.

The sum of the infinite series of natural numbers is -1/12.

 

[Ouroboros]

too bad.....

Hardly. I'm glad. Very glad. At peace in my spirit.

 

[Ouroboros]

I'm 60.

I'm 50.

and substance is not 'self' starting.

How did you start?

 

[Thief]

They're the unholy twins of existence that can never be untwined. Both in an eternal struggle of chaos and order. Two sides of a coin that is flipped, spinning, and never landing on either side.

I enter a room and the table is empty....
I return later and find a coin there.....
Someone has been there.

if I find the coin spinning....Someone is nearby.

the universe has been spinning for a long time.
motion tends to be persistent on the large scale.

 

[Ouroboros]

I enter a room and the table is empty....
I return later and find a coin there.....
Someone has been there.

if I find the coin spinning....Someone has nearby.

the universe has been spinning for a long time.
motion tends to be persistent on the large scale.

God is the spin that never stops. Spirit and substance, eternal.

 

[Thief]

God is the spin that never stops. Spirit and substance, eternal.

I suspect substance will play out.
science points in that direction.

but creation happened once that we know of.
it could happen again

 

[Ouroboros]

I suspect substance will play out.

I suspect "spirit vs substance" is an illusion.

science points in that direction.

Does it? How?

but creation happened once that we know of.
it could happen again

And it could have happened before.

 

[Thief]

now your questions lead to larger topics.....
how about posting some op's