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Was Jesus a Heretic
- Thread starter Fool
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why would the people stone a prophet, or kill one, if they didn't think him/her a prophet?
about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer;
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Best to ask Jesus !!!
sealchan
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I would say that Jesus saw himself as a Jew but he also saw himself as bringing in a new understanding. So he was critical of and supportive of the tradition. No black and white here but gray.
I'm highly confident that were Jesus to return he would feel the same way (for different reasons) about today's Christianity as he did about yesterday's Judaism.
Claiming to be a prophet is not heresy, but it can get you stoned or crucified by the Romans. Tough bot heresy Jesus claimed to be King of the Jews, Messiah. and some may have thought him a heretic claiming to be physically the Son of God. and/or God.
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Kelly of the Phoenix
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But it's a lie. Hardly any prophets were murdered by "the Jews".
Plus, the lack of said apocalypse would be highly disappointing to him considering how much he railed on and on about it.
Who witnessed the transaction?
But in terms of books, how can you tell the character you're reading about is real and has good ideas or it's just the author is real and has good ideas?
Political drama.
And again, the killing of prophets thing is rarely true. The idea actually comes from stories made up around Jesus' time.
The pure in heart can see God.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
So, the scapegoat and the people who were lying on Jesus anyway, right?
Yeah, different sects of Judaism, like I said. You're repeating yourself.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
Willis Barnstone made the argument that Judas is a barely concealed pseudonym of "a Jew" and was a character meant to symbolize the early Christian author's anger and resentment toward the Jews who dismissed Jesus' teachings or even spoke out against Jesus. In other words, the character of Judas is allegorical for "those traitorous Jews".
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yep........
And they were quisling heretics in his eyes.
The Baptist thought they were a bunch of vipers.
Actually the Jews of the time expected the Messiah King of the Jews to come with an army to defeat the Romans and restore the Hebrew Kingdom. Jesus would be stoned for making this claim without an army and causing trouble for the Jews and the Romans. The Jews suffer under the Romans when anyone makes this claim with the Romans in charge. Rome would crucify anyone making this claim for rebellion against Rome and they did just that. There were several who claimed to fulfill the prophecy and tried to raise an army to defeat the Romans during this period, but they squished by the Romans, and not at the time considered heretics by the Jews.
shmogie
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He certainly was a heretic to Judaism as decided by the religious leadership.
What is ¨today´s Christianity¨ ?
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Christ himself rejected Judaism. He preached among the Jews for over three years, and he was rejected as the Messiah.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
How do you know when something has disappeared from being ? Are your senses the only way to determine what exists ?
And considering also that he accidentally got crucified (if he even existed at all) before the apocalypse happened.
i go by what the scriptures said.
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism