Was Bahaullah a "Bahai", please?

[paarsurrey]

Was Bahaullah a "Bahai", please?
Bahaullah was sure not a "Bahai" as per the core book of Bahaullah named by him as "Kitab-i-Iqan".

Jesus was not a "Christian", he was a Jew, he was "Baptized" posthumously as virtually being a follower of a new religion "Christianity" by Paul/Church and or the associates.
Thread open to all religions or no-religions.

Regards
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68. BAHÁ’U’LLÁH’S REVERENCE FOR THE QUR’ÁN

" It should come as no surprise that Bahá’u’lláh’s respect for the Qur’an was heartfelt and genuine. Bahá’u’lláh was, after all, a Muslim."
CHRISTOPHER BUCK
Visiting Assistant Professor, Michigan State University, [email protected]ÁT PRESSLOS ANGELES
Symbol & Secret: Qur’an Commentary in Baha’u’llah’s Kitab-i Iqan (1995/2004)

 

[Vinayaka]

Was Bahaullah a "Bahai", please?
Bahaullah was sure not a "Bahai" as per the core book of Bahaullah named by him as "Kitab-i-Iqan".

Jesus was not a "Christian", he was a Jew, he was "Baptized" posthumously as virtually being a follower of new religion "Christianity" by Paul/Church and or the associates.
Thread open to all religions or no-religions.

Regards
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68. BAHÁ’U’LLÁH’S REVERENCE FOR THE QUR’ÁN

" It should come as no surprise that Bahá’u’lláh’s respect for the Qur’an was heartfelt and genuine. Bahá’u’lláh was, after all, a Muslim."
CHRISTOPHER BUCK
Visiting Assistant Professor, Michigan State University, [email protected]ÁT PRESSLOS ANGELES
Symbol & Secret: Qur’an Commentary in Baha’u’llah’s Kitab-i Iqan (1995/2004)

He was born Muslim.

 

[paarsurrey]

He was born Muslim.

Not, sure. His relationship with Bab should not be ignored, instead of that Christopher Buck described him a Muslim. Right, please? Christopher Buck's treatise is with reference to Iqan.
Bab was a Shia Muslim in thoughts and deeds, or not,would be yet another topic.

 

[Vinayaka]

Not, sure. His relationship with Bab should not be ignored, instead of that Christopher Buck describe him a Muslim. Right, please? Christopher Buck's treatise is with reference to Iqan.
Bab was a Shia Muslim in thoughts and deeds, or not,would be yet another topic.

Then I have no idea. You'll have to wait for a Baha'i person to respond.

 

[shunyadragon]

Was Bahaullah a "Bahai", please?
Bahaullah was sure not a "Bahai" as per the core book of Bahaullah named by him as "Kitab-i-Iqan".

Jesus was not a "Christian", he was a Jew, he was "Baptized" posthumously as virtually being a follower of a new religion "Christianity" by Paul/Church and or the associates.
Thread open to all religions or no-religions.

Regards
___________

68. BAHÁ’U’LLÁH’S REVERENCE FOR THE QUR’ÁN

" It should come as no surprise that Bahá’u’lláh’s respect for the Qur’an was heartfelt and genuine. Bahá’u’lláh was, after all, a Muslim."
CHRISTOPHER BUCK
Visiting Assistant Professor, Michigan State University, [email protected]ÁT PRESSLOS ANGELES
Symbol & Secret: Qur’an Commentary in Baha’u’llah’s Kitab-i Iqan (1995/2004)

Jesus was the first Christian, and Baha'u'llah was the first Baha'i, but nonetheless this is splitting 'frog hairs' as who is who and the first. Before Christ was Baptized by John the Baptist and the Dove descended from heaven, while living by the way, he was a Jew. Of course, before Baha'u'llah received the Revelation and declared His Revelation he was born a Muslim than a follower of the Bab, and one of the eighteen 'Letters of the Living.'

What is your point anyways since your a non-believer anyway?

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus was the first Christian, and Baha'u'llah was the first Baha'i, but nonetheless this is splitting 'frog hairs' as who is who and the first. Before Christ was Baptized by John the Baptist and the Dove descended from heaven, while living by the way, he was a Jew. Of course, before Baha'u'llah received the Revelation and declared His Revelation he was born a Muslim than a follower of the Bab, and one of the eighteen 'Letters of the Living.'

What is your point anyways since your a non-believer anyway?

What did Bahaullah say about himself, please, pertinently in Iqan?
It is a simple question, he must not have forgotten to mention it in Iqan, or his human limitations like forgetfulness restrained him; and he was not a God for sure.

Regards

 

[loverofhumanity]

He was a Manifestation of God as were Christ and Muhammad. All the Manifestations took a human form and identity and were born into different religious backgrounds but They were all pre existent. That is They were not conceived in this world like we are but pre existed in a world of God before being sent to the world. That is the Baha’i belief.

 

[loverofhumanity]

What did Bahaullah say about himself, please, pertinently in Iqan?
It is a simple question, he must not have forgotten to mention it in Iqan, or his human limitations like forgetfulness restrained him; and he was not a God for sure.

Regards

He did not reveal His Station until 1963 but later referred to Himself as...

He Who is the Pre-Existent is come.

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Advent of Divine Justice, Pages 72-85

 

[paarsurrey]

He was a Manifestation of God as were Christ and Muhammad. All the Manifestations took a human form and identity and were born into different religious backgrounds but They were all pre existent. That is They were not conceived in this world like we are but pre existed in a world of God before being sent to the world. That is the Baha’i belief.

This is a terminology that Bahaullah invented and seemed to stretch/blow out it too much. But presently we are discussing "Was Bahaullah a Bahai' ", please?". If he was a "first Bahai" as our friend @shunyadragon would like us to believe, then we human beings would like that that claim should be from him from Iqan the "Book of Certitude" the core book of Bahaullah.
Sorry, we are much interested in Bahaullah, rather than "Bahaism", please.

Regards

 

[loverofhumanity]

This is a terminology that Bahaullah invented and seemed to stretched it too much. But presently we are discussing "Was Bahaullah a Bahai' ", please?". If he was a "first Bahai" as our friend @shunyadragon would like us to believe, then we human beings would like that that claim should be from him from Iqan the "Book of Certitude" the core book of Bahaullah.
Sorry, we are much interested in Bahaullah, rather than "Bahaism", please.

Regards

Quran 53:10

10 and he revealed unto his servant that which he revealed. The heart of Mohammed did not falsely represent that which he saw. Will ye therefore dispute with him concerning that which he saw? He also saw him another time, by the lote-tree beyond which there is no passing: near it is the garden of eternal abode. When the lote-tree covered that which it covered, his eyesight turned not aside, neither did it wander: and he really beheld some of the greatest signs of his LORD.

At the end of the Book of Certitude Baha’u’llah refers to Himself as...

“Peace be upon him that inclineth his ear unto the melody of the Mystic Bird calling from the Sadratu’l-Muntahá!”

The Kitáb-i-Íqán
Bahá’u’lláh

The Lote Tree is where Muhammad saw the signs of God only a Prophet can see and Baha’u’llah said that He was calling from the Lote Tree referring to Himself also as Muhammad.

The Abode Of Peace and now the Lote Tree. Two indisputable proofs Baha’u’llah referred to His Manifestation both in the Iqan.

Both Muhammad and Baha’u’llah reached the Lote Tree. Baha’u’llah too beheld some of the greatest signs of his LORD at the time of the revealing of the Iqan. (See last sentence of Iqan)

 

[David1967]

Jesus was not a "Christian", he was a Jew, he was "Baptized" posthumously

Interesting. I Know that Jesus was a jew, but I never heard he was baptized posthumously. I always thought he was baptized by John the Baptist.

 

[paarsurrey]

Quran 53:10

10 and he revealed unto his servant that which he revealed. The heart of Mohammed did not falsely represent that which he saw. Will ye therefore dispute with him concerning that which he saw? He also saw him another time, by the lote-tree beyond which there is no passing: near it is the garden of eternal abode. When the lote-tree covered that which it covered, his eyesight turned not aside, neither did it wander: and he really beheld some of the greatest signs of his LORD.

At the end of the Book of Certitude Baha’u’llah refers to Himself as...

“Peace be upon him that inclineth his ear unto the melody of the Mystic Bird calling from the Sadratu’l-Muntahá!”

The Kitáb-i-Íqán
Bahá’u’lláh

The Lote Tree is where Muhammad saw the signs of God only a Prophet can see and Baha’u’llah said that He was calling from the Lote Tree referring to Himself also as Muhammad.

The Abode Of Peace and now the Lote Tree. Two indisputable proofs Baha’u’llah referred to His Manifestation both in the Iqan.

Both Muhammad and Baha’u’llah reached the Lote Tree. Baha’u’llah too beheld some of the greatest signs of his LORD at the time of the revealing of the Iqan. (See last sentence of Iqan)

Sorry friend, one's post does not answer the simple question if Bahaullah was a "Bahai" or not, or its another connotation suggested by our friend @shunyadragon if Bahaullah was a "first Bahai" or not in the Iqan period. If he got converted to it in the pre-Iqan period , then who got him converted from which previous religion Babi-non-Islamic or Shia-Islam, he did not belong to Sunni Islam, for sure. Right, please?
The topic, please.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Interesting. I Know that Jesus was a jew, but I never heard he was baptized posthumously. I always thought he was baptized by John the Baptist.

Never-mind, please, though Jesus got Baptized clearly at hands of the John the Baptist and he did not renounce it to become a non-Jew later. So, Jesus was a Jew till he died naturally at the age of about 120 years. He was a man of strong-faith and he never got converted a "Christian" or a "first-Christian" in all his life. I love Jesus and Mary.

We are presently discussing about Bahaullah's conversion to a "Bahai" or a "first Bahai" in the "pre-Iqan period and or "Iqan-period". This is the priority here, please.

Regards

 

[shunyadragon]

What did Bahaullah say about himself, please, pertinently in Iqan?
It is a simple question, he must not have forgotten to mention it in Iqan, or his human limitations like forgetfulness restrained him; and he was not a God for sure.

Regards

This sarcastic belittling post is hardly worth responding to. There are many Baha'i writings other than the Iqan. Do you remember that the citation of the claim of Baha'u'llah was posted to you?

Again what is your purpose here?

 

[danieldemol]

Never-mind, please, though Jesus got Baptized clearly at hands of the John the Baptist and he did not renounce it to become a non-Jew later. So, Jesus was a Jew till he died naturally at the age of about 120 years. He was a man of strong-faith and he never got converted a "Christian" or a "first-Christian" in all his life. I love Jesus and Mary.

We are presently discussing about Bahaullah's conversion to a "Bahai" or a "first Bahai" in the "pre-Iqan period and or "Iqan-period". This is the priority here, please.

Regards

A Christian is a follower of Christ, a Baha’i is a follower of Baha’u’llah. One is not a follower of themselves even if they believe in what they are saying.

So no, Baha’u’llah was not the first Baha’i any more than Muhammad was the first Muhammadan.

 

[shunyadragon]

This is a terminology that Bahaullah invented and seemed to stretch/blow out it too much. But presently we are discussing "Was Bahaullah a Bahai' ", please?". If he was a "first Bahai" as our friend @shunyadragon would like us to believe, then we human beings would like that that claim should be from him from Iqan the "Book of Certitude" the core book of Bahaullah.
Sorry, we are much interested in Bahaullah, rather than "Bahaism", please.

Regards

No, it does not need to come from the Iqan, because that is NOT the subject of the Iqan. It is in the Baha'i writings in the words of Baha'u'llah. Your insults are unnecessary if your purpose is simply to ask for information.

The question of who was the first Baha'i is not meaningful anyway. The question is whether Baha'u'llah's claim is true. You as a non-believer do not consider it so.

 

[shunyadragon]

A Christian is a follower of Christ, a Baha’i is a follower of Baha’u’llah. One is not a follower of themselves even if they believe in what they are saying.

So no, Baha’u’llah was not the first Baha’i any more than Muhammad was the first Muhammadan.

I translate Baha'i a little differently I consider it 'the follower of the Glory or the light,' and not the follower of the person. I believe the 'first' can be interpreted in different ways, but nonetheless it is not a meaningful question, since of course, Christ is the Manifestation of God for Christianity, Muhammad is the Manifestation of God for Islam, and Baha'u'llah is the Manifestation of God for the Baha'i Faith.

@paarsurrey is playing rhetorical word games with no meaning. The valid question is whether Christ, Muhammad, and Baha'u'llah are who they claim to be.

 

[Firemorphic]

Not, sure. His relationship with Bab should not be ignored, instead of that Christopher Buck describe him a Muslim. Right, please? Christopher Buck's treatise is with reference to Iqan.
Bab was a Shia Muslim in thoughts and deeds, or not,would be yet another topic.

I know this thread is about the Baha'i founder, but when it comes to The Bab: He was thoroughly a Twelver Shia Muslim inside and out

 

[danieldemol]

Never-mind, please, though Jesus got Baptized clearly at hands of the John the Baptist and he did not renounce it to become a non-Jew later.

It might be off-topic to point this out, but are you aware that baptism is a Christian practice, and not a Jewish practice?

 

[shunyadragon]

I know this thread is about the Baha'i founder, but when it comes to The Bab: He was thoroughly a Twelver Shia Muslim inside and out

OK