It's coming through a crack in the wall
on a visionary flood of alcohol
From the staggering account
of the sermon on the mount
Which I don't pretend to understand at all.
(the gospel according to Leonard)
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Trusting the Bible
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on a visionary flood of alcohol
From the staggering account
of the sermon on the mount
Which I don't pretend to understand at all.
(the gospel according to Leonard)
And you know this how?
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angellous_evangellous
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(our friend doesn't know what 'arbitrary' means, that's all)
Just a courtesy:
"based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something <an arbitrary standard><take any arbitrary positive number><arbitrary division of historical studies into watertight compartments — A. J. Toynbee>"
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angellous_evangellous
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jojom
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You are certain the writers of it were careful to be correct because you agree with them which is also them agreeing with you.
jojom
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angellous_evangellous
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*sigh*
You forgot your obligatory video, ioiom.
You forgot your obligatory video, ioiom.
OK? Like when someone wrote "all scripture is inspired of God"? I believe that it the truth. Guess what? Nuclear armaments inspire peace. Do they not?
Or if you like them to match better this: Peace is inspired by nuclear warheads.
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angellous_evangellous
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To no one in particular - it's in the damn prefaces of the modern translations (how they chose the texts). If there is no preface that outlines the textual theory used in a given edition of a Bible, it's probably not a translation but a paraphrase of another translation or some type of amended edition.
In any case, the textual theory is the arbitrary means of collecting the text into the artificial single volume 'Bible.'
Or maybe "Your word is truth"? What word in your opinion?
Wow! That is beautiful!
jojom
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Ah, we're---at least, I am---- not talking about any message of Bible, but how it was translated. Recall I was addressing angellous_evangellous' remark "the Bible' is an arbitrary translation of a collection of text." I take exception to his description of it as "arbitrary."
arbitrary
And FYI, I don't believe any god or power from above had anything to do with it. adjective ar·bi·trary \ˈär-bə-ˌtrer-ē, -ˌtre-rē\
: not planned or chosen for a particular reason : not based on reason or evidence
: done without concern for what is fair or right
(Merriam-Webster)
: not planned or chosen for a particular reason : not based on reason or evidence
: done without concern for what is fair or right
(Merriam-Webster)
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I disagree with you. I am as certain as a human can be that the Bible we have was not translated with concern for what is fair and right. I believe that even before Jesus scripture was interpreted to further some powerful person or person's agendas.
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angellous_evangellous
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jojom
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angellous_evangellous
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Fascinating how many people can cite a dictionary and STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORD.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Seriously.
I am fascinated by the use of acrostics in Lamentations.
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angellous_evangellous
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Depends on the translation. If you had read anything, you would have seen this term. Basically, translators briefly describe the criteria they used for selecting the texts that they translated (this is called 'textual theory'). In general, translators can follow a majority text theory (presenting the translation of the majority of a given text) or use the oldest text. Nowadays it is somewhere in between - translators use more complex reasoning for choosing the most authoritative text.
If my words are too big for you, I will be happy to provide definitions.
jojom
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But doing it with some agenda in mind defiantly precludes it from being arbitrary. As for being fair or right, this would depend on whose fairness and rightness one is talking about. And in this case, in as much as we're talking about the circumstances surrounding the actual translation, to not be fair and right would to be so in regard to the translators' "contract": to go against the wishes and expectations of whoever is sponsoring the translation. That you or anyone else may think a particular piece of translation isn't right is beside the point. What matters is that in translating a piece, the translator(s) was not purposely doing so without any concern for doing it right or fairly. And from what I've read this was never the case.
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