But you will offer that it is an action the Quran does state.
That is not just.
Regards Tony
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True faith teaches by Itself.
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But you will offer that it is an action the Quran does state.
That is not just.
Regards Tony
I see you have not yet embraced any of the meaning of what Baha'u'llah offered.
Regards Tony
ecco
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As I stated to @TransmutingSoul, it is not my job to go through the Koran. It is fact that members of ISIS are Muslims;
Don't Think of the "Islamic State" in Religious Terms | Middle East Policy Council
You would deny this, just as most Christians distance themselves from David Koresh and Jim Jones. Koresh and Jones believed they were doing the Christian God's work. Their followers believed that also. That is what is important, that is what matters.It is disingenuous to claim that ISIS is not “Islamic,” in part because there is no “true” and “false” Islam objectively accessible to human beings. Would-be Caliph Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi’s interpretation may be far outside the mainstream contemporary or traditional approaches to Islam, but that doesn’t make it “un-Islamic.”
ecco
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Again, it is not me that is keeping women out of the Inner Circle. If you think there is no justification for that in your scripture, then contact the Universal House of Justice and ask them for their rationale.
Trailblazer
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What you do not understand is that the UHJ is not "The Bahai Inner Circle." Do you know the functions of the UHJ?
Universal House of Justice - Wikipedia
Trailblazer
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But that does not mean that they are following what is in the Koran. THAT is what matters. One cannot blame Muhammad if some of His followers went astray any more than Jesus can be blamed if some Christians don't follow His teachings.
Trailblazer
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The justification is that Baha'u'llah stipulated that the UHJ would be comprised of men.
I see you are happy to remain with an unjust stance, and not inform yourself as to why that is unjust. I am not here to change your choices.
So I will not respond to such posts again.
I will wish you all the best in life, may it be long and may you prosper.
Regards Tony
Well I do not have to, I know what the justification is. I also have Faith the wisdom will be known.
Regards Tony
ecco
Veteran Member
Well, pardon my use of a common phrase like "Inner circle".
Def
- an exclusive group close to the center of power of an organization or movement, regarded as elitist and secretive.
In any case, women are forbidden to be a part of the UHJ. So, please, do not post any more misinformation about Bahai giving women equality.
ecco
Veteran Member
Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense.
The Inquisitors considered themselves Christians who were doing God's work.
The European witch burners considered themselves Christians who were doing God's work.
The Southern Slave-owners considered themselves Christians who were doing God's work.
The Nazis considered themselves Christians who were doing God's work.
If scripture is so ambiguous that it can be interpreted in so many different ways, that is the fault of the God who conveyed the laws and rules to His Messengers. One cannot even blame the Messengers, an omnipotent God surely had ways to ensure His word was accurately recorded.
ecco
Veteran Member
There are two problems with that.
If it is true, then Baha'u'llah was a misogynist. Nevertheless, you should be able to show clearly and unambiguously that Baha'u'llah made that stipulation.
If it is not true, then the people who first organized it in the 1960s are the misogynistic Bahais.
Neither option does much for women's equality in the eyes of Bahai leadership.
ecco
Veteran Member
It is not an unjust stance. See post #211. You cannot find anything invalid about it, so you just...
...run away. Perhaps you should think about your views and see if you can justify them with anything other than your wishful beliefs.
ecco
Veteran Member
Do you understand what you write?
First, you assert that you know the reason women are kept out of UHJ.
Then you write that the wisdom will be known (implying it is not known).
I see that you wrote "Faith" with a capital "F". Was that a Freudian slip?
I suppose when one cannot actually justify one's views, then one has to accept that one's views are based on nothing but Faith.
Trailblazer
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That does not mean women are not considered equal to men. To say that is a logical fallacy but I don't have time to waste telling you which fallacy that is. Believe whatever you want to believe, it does not matter one iota to me. This is just a forum, not reality.
Trailblazer
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That is not God's job, it is a job humans are fully responsible for.
It was accurately recorded but humans understand words and sentences differently.
Trailblazer
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I am Sorry your chosen definition does not fit a body of men that is elected by Women and Men.
I see it will be hard for people that do not see the need to submit to a Law given by God, to consider why this law was made.
The God that made that law, is the God that granted full equality of women with men, and made it possible for us to achieve.
So one can take the time to consider why there is such a law, or they will not take the time and rubbish it.
Life gives us those God given choices.
All the best, I see our conversations are nearing the end ecco, with a small e. So stay safe, stay happy, may life give you all you desire.
Regards Tony
True faith teaches by Itself.
It is a God given Law. Does a person that is a beleiver in God and the Messenger need any other proofs?
God does as God wills. Meanwhile women in the Baha'i Faith do practice full equality with men, in the knowledge that why there is a God given Law that only men are to be elected on to the Universal House of Justice will be more widely known in the future.
That is where I will cease the explanation, it is simple, it is a God given law and full submission unto God's will is the purpose of true Faith. I imagine and do offer the thought, that submission unto this law is a great bounty for women.
Regards Tony
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