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Trinity translating errors

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise---impossible to be correct

correct= truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.

Jesus went into the grave( hades) for 3 days.--he could not be in paradise on that day.

Greek word proskenau--4 meanings from greek to English--1)worship to God---2) obeisance to a king--plus 2 others.
Trinity translations give Jesus the Messiah( Gods appointed king) worship--error.
Gods word teaches--not even an angel gets worship--Gods word teaches while Jesus was down here, he was made lower than the angels-a mortal.--thus obeisance is what was given to the Messiah,when they bowed.

John 1:1---In the beginning the word was, and the word was with( HO) Theos, and the word was Theos.( greek interlinear, Hebrew text)--Ho = the-------- The word was not being called the God. The only word in greek for God or god is Theos--Ho preceded Theos when speaking of the almighty true God. thus a god is correct--carrying the meaning--has godlike qualities--Why? because Gods power went through Jesus( Acts 2:22)

in plain English trinities would say---in the beginning the God was, and the God was with God, and the God was God( with another God(HS)over there as well_ Rev 3:12----- God has a God with another God(HS) over there.
God' word clearly teaches there is one God--God does not have a God.

Making this a terrible reality for the 33,000 different trinity religions on earth-Mark 3: 24-26---a house divided will not stand)----thus not Gods house
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise---impossible to be correct

correct= truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.

Jesus went into the grave( hades) for 3 days.--he could not be in paradise on that day.

Greek word proskenau--4 meanings from greek to English--1)worship to God---2) obeisance to a king--plus 2 others.
Trinity translations give Jesus the Messiah( Gods appointed king) worship--error.
Gods word teaches--not even an angel gets worship--Gods word teaches while Jesus was down here, he was made lower than the angels-a mortal.--thus obeisance is what was given to the Messiah,when they bowed.

John 1:1---In the beginning the word was, and the word was with( HO) Theos, and the word was Theos.( greek interlinear, Hebrew text)--Ho = the-------- The word was not being called the God. The only word in greek for God or god is Theos--Ho preceded Theos when speaking of the almighty true God. thus a god is correct--carrying the meaning--has godlike qualities--Why? because Gods power went through Jesus( Acts 2:22)

in plain English trinities would say---in the beginning the God was, and the God was with God, and the God was God( with another God(HS)over there as well_ Rev 3:12----- God has a God with another God(HS) over there.
God' word clearly teaches there is one God--God does not have a God.

Making this a terrible reality for the 33,000 different trinity religions on earth-Mark 3: 24-26---a house divided will not stand)----thus not Gods house
Do you know God? Describe God.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Do you know God? Describe God.


Hi, yes the God of Israel --YHWH(Jehovah) a single being mono God.
This God was taught to Matt,Mark, Luke, John, Peter, and Jesus his first 30 years attending the synagogues. Not one of them ever refuted that fact. I seriously doubt Jesus the son of God would ever attend a place of worship teaching a false God.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Greek word proskenau
Ignoring diacritics and the like, you still wouldn't transliterate προσκυνέω as "proskenau" but proskyneo or proskuneo. Also, while it is not correct to say it has any set number of meanings, it is even less accurate to fail to give a good definition. Here's a good definition:

"προσκυνέω impf. προσεκύνουν; fut. προσκυνήσω; 1 aor. προσεκύνησα (trag., Hdt.+; inscr., pap., LXX; En. 10,
21; Ep. Arist., Philo, Joseph., Test. 12 Patr.) used to designate the custom of prostrating oneself before a person and kissing his feet, the hem of his garment, the ground, etc.; the Persians did this in the presence of their deified king, and the Greeks before a divinity or someth. holy; (fall down and) worship, do obeisance to, prostrate oneself before, do
reverence to, welcome respectfully, in Attic Gk., and later (e.g. Appian, Mithrid. 104 §489), used w. the acc. (so Mt
4:10 and Lk 4:8 [Dt 6:13 v.l.]; J 4:22a, b, 23b, 24a v.l.; Rv 9:20.—Gen 37:9; Ex 11:8; Judg 7:15 A; Ep. Arist. 137;
138; Philo; Jos., Ant. 2, 13; 7, 250); beside it the Koine uses the dat. (Phryn. p. 463 L.; JWittmann, Sprachl. Untersuchungen zu Cosmas Indicopl., Diss. Munich ’13, 16; KWolf, Studien z. Sprache des Malalas II, Diss. Munich
’12, 34; Bl-D. §151, 2; Rob. 455; 476f); the LXX and our lit. prefer the dat. (s. also Ep. Arist. 135; Jos., Ant. 6,
55.—6, 154 πρ. τῷ θεῷ immediately after τὸν θεὸν πρ.). This reverence or worship is paid
1. to human beings who, however, are to be recognized by this act as belonging to a superhuman realm (Appian, Mithrid. 104 §489: Pompey; Galen, Protr. 5 p. 12, 2ff John: Socrates, Homer, Hippocrates, Plato): to a king (so
Hdt.+; cf. 2 Km 18:28; 24:20; 3 Km 1:16, 53. On proskynesis in the Hellenistic ruler cults s. LRTaylor, JHS 47, ’27,
53ff, The Divinity of the Rom. Emperor ’31, esp. 256-66; against her WWTarn, Alexander the Great II, ’50, 347-73) ὁ δοῦλος προσεκύνει αὐτῷ Mt 18:26 (of a female slave toward her κύριος PGiess. 17, 11f=Wilcken, Chrest. 481; cf. Jos., Ant. 2, 11); to Peter fr. Cornelius Ac 10:25 (cf. Apollonius [c. 197 AD] in Euseb., H.E. 5, 18, 6).—The church at Philadelphia προσκυνήσουσιν ἐνώπιον τῶν ποδῶν σου Rv 3:9 (on πρ. ἐνώπιόν τινος cf. Ps 21:28; 85:9; Is 66:23).
2. to God (Aeschyl.+; X., An. 3, 2, 9; 13; Pla., Rep. 3 p. 398A; Polyb. 18, 37, 10; Plut., Pomp. 14, 4; Lucian, Pisc, 21 τῇ θεῷ; PGM 4, 649. Of various divinities in the inscr. [cf. Dit., Or. II 700a index VIII; Sb 7911ff]; PFlor.
332, 11 θεούς; LXX; Philo, Gig. 54 τὸν θεόν al.; Jos., Ant. 6, 154; 20, 164 al.).
a. of the God worshipped by monotheists (Christians, Jews, Samaritans) κύριον τὸν θεόν σου προσκυνήσεις (Dt
6:13 v.l.) Mt 4:10; Lk 4:8. πρ. τῷ πατρί J 4:21, 23a; cf. b. τῷ θεῷ (Jos., Ant. 6, 55; 9, 267) Rv 19:4 (w. πίπτειν),
10b, 22:9. Cf. Hb 1:6 (Dt 32:43 LXX). τῷ ζῶντι Rv 4:10. τῷ ποιήσαντι τὸν οὐρανόν 14:7. πεσὼν ἐπὶ πρόσωπον προσκυνήσει τῷ θεῷ he will fall down and worship God (s. 2 Km 9:6) 1 Cor 14:25; cf. Rv 7:11; 11:16. ἐνώπιόν
σου (s. 1, end) 15:4. Abs. (Dit., Syll.3 1173, 2; PTebt. 416, 7; LXX) J 4:20a, b, 24a, b; Ac 8:27. Used w. ἀναβαίνειν
(UPZ 62, 33 [161 BC] ἐὰν ἀναβῶ κἀγὼ προσκυνῆσαι; Jos., Ant. 20, 164)J 12:20; Ac 24:11; cf. Rv 11:1. W. πίπτειν (s. Jos., Ant. 8, 119)Rv 5:14. προσεκύνησεν ἐπὶ τὸ ἄκρον τῆς ῥάβδου αὐτοῦ he bowed in worship (or prayed) over the head of his staff Hb 11:21 (Gen 47:31).
b. of the idol-worship of polytheism (LXX) προσκυνεῖν τοῖς νεκροῖς θεοῖς 2 Cl 3:1 or λίθους καὶ ξύλα κτλ.
1:6 (cf. Ep. Arist. 135. . . οἷς πρ.). Cf. Ac 7:43; Dg 2:5. τὰ ὑφʼ ὑμῶν προσκυνούμενα the things that are worshipped by you 2:4. Abs., w. θύειν MPol 12:2.
3. to the devil and Satanic beings Mt 4:9; Lk 4:7 (on πρ. ἐνώπιον ἐμοῦ s. 1 above). τὰ δαιμόνια Rv 9:20. τῷ δράκοντι 13:4a. τῷ θηρίῳ 13:4b. τὸ θηρίον vss. 8, 12; 20:4. τῇ εἰκόνι (Da 3:5 al.) τοῦ θηρίου 13:15; cf. 16:2;
19:20. τὸ θηρίον καὶ τ. εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ 14:9, 11. Cf. θηρίον 1b; also PTouilleux, L’Apocalypse et les cultes de
Domitien et de Cybèle ’35.—4. to angels Rv 22:8; cf. 19:10a.
5. to Jesus, who is revered and worshipped as Messianic King and Divine Helper: Mt 2:2, 8, 11.—8:2; 9:18;
14:33; 15:25; J 9:38.—Mt 20:20. The demons ask a favor of him Mk 5:6.—Mock worship on the part of soldiers
15:19 (στέφανος 1).—The Risen Lord is esp. the object of worship: Mt 28:9, 17; Lk 24:52 P75 et al. Likewise the exalted Christ MPol 17:3.—Lit. s.v. προσεύχομαι, end; Bolkestein [δεισιδαιμονία, end] 23ff; JHorst, Proskynein: Z. Anbetung im Urchristentum nach ihrer religionsgesch. Eigenart ’32; BertheMMarti, Proskynesis and adorare: Language
12, ’36, 272-82; BReicke, Some Reflections on Worship in the NT: TWManson mem. vol. ’59, 194-209. M-M. B.
1469.*"

(BDAG)

Here is a less good definition:

"προσκῠν-έω, fut. -ήσω Hippon.32 (tm.), Pl.R.469a: aor. προσεκύνησα X.Cyr.5.3.18; poet. προσέκῠσα Ar.Eq.640, imper. πρόσκυσον ib.156, S.Ph.776, inf. -κύσαι ib.657, part. -κύσας ib.533, 1408 (troch.): pf. -κεκύνηκα LXX Ex.32.8, OGI196.2 (Egypt, i B.C.):—Pass., pres. inf. προσκυνεῖσθαι E.Tr.1021: aor. προσεκυνήθην Arr.An.4.11.9:— make obeisance to the gods or their images, fall down and worship, c. acc., Hdt.2.121, etc.; γῆν τε π. ἅμα καὶ τὸν θεῶν Ὄλυμπον S.OC 1654, cf. A.Pers.499, Ar.Eq.156: prov., οἱ -κυνοῦντες τὴν Ἀδράστειαν σοφοί, of deprecating the wrath of Nemesis, A.Pr.936, cf. Pl.R.451a; τὸν φθόνον δὲ πρόσκυσον S.Ph.776; στεῖχε προσκύσας χθόνα, to avert divine wrath, ib.1408 (troch.); of sacred places, do reverence to, πατρῷα ἕδη θεῶν Id.El.1374; τὰς θήκας Pl.R.469b; τὴν θόλον D.19.314: abs., Ar.Eq.640.
2. esp. of the Oriental fashion of prostrating oneself before kings and superiors, abs., Hdt.1.119, 8.118: c. acc., π. τὸν Δαρεῖον make obeisance to him, Id.3.86; προσκυνεῖν διδάσκονται τὸν βασιλέα [οἱ ἐλέφαντες] Arist.HA630b20; προσπίπτων π. Hdt.1.134, cf. 7.136; πάντες σε προσκυνοῦμεν οἵδ’ ἱκτήριοι S.OT327; προσκυνῶ σ’, ἄναξ, προσπίτνων E.Or.1507 (troch.), cf. X.Cyr.5.3.18, 8.3.14, Plu.Them. 27, Arr. l.c., etc.; κύψας ὁ λαὸς προσεκύνησεν LXX Ex.12.27; οὐδένα ἄνθρωπον δεσπότην ἀλλὰ τοὺς θεοὺς π. X.An.3.2.13; π. τοὺς ὑβρίζοντας ὥσπερ ἐν τοῖς βαρβάροις D.21.106: ironically, π. τινὰ ὡς ἱερὸν καὶ θαυμαστόν Pl.R.398a: later c. dat., LXX Ge.24.26, al., Ev.Matt.2.2, 11, Ev.Jo.4.23, D.C.67.13; τῳ θεῷ J.AJ9.13.2. (Orig. perh. throw a kiss to the god, cf. Apul.Met.4.28: the gesture is probably represented in Sumerian and Babylonian art monuments.)

II. later, kiss, σοῦ -ήσω τὴν χεῖρα BGU423.15 (ii A.D.); τὸ πρόσωπον, τὴν ὄψιν, τοὺς πόδας, PLond.3.1244.4 (iv A.D.), PGiss.22.5 (ii A.D.), PGen. 91.6 (vi/vii A.D.).

2. greet, σπουδάζουσα -ῆσαί σε (by letter) BGU 615.8 (ii A.D.); ἔλθω πρὸς ὑμᾶς ἵνα ὑμᾶς -ήσω διὰ πολλοῦ χρόνου PLips. 110.19 (iii/iv A.D.), cf. PGiss.17.11 (ii A.D.).

3. welcome respectfully, respect, προσεκύνησά σου τὰ γράμματα POxy.237 vi 37 (ii A.D.), cf. PTeb.286.22 (ii A.D.), etc.; τὴν θείαν ἀντιγραφὴν ὑπὸ πάντων προσκυνουμένην OGI262.27 (Baetocaece, iii A.D.)."
(LSJ)

Did I offer these to be helpful? No. I admit it. I did it because I am so very tired of the countless threads in which some translation is challenged, proposed, or analyzed by somebody incapable of reading the language.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Ignoring diacritics and the like, you still wouldn't transliterate προσκυνέω as "proskenau" but proskyneo or proskuneo. Also, while it is not correct to say it has any set number of meanings, it is even less accurate to fail to give a good definition. Here's a good definition:

"προσκυνέω impf. προσεκύνουν; fut. προσκυνήσω; 1 aor. προσεκύνησα (trag., Hdt.+; inscr., pap., LXX; En. 10,
21; Ep. Arist., Philo, Joseph., Test. 12 Patr.) used to designate the custom of prostrating oneself before a person and kissing his feet, the hem of his garment, the ground, etc.; the Persians did this in the presence of their deified king, and the Greeks before a divinity or someth. holy; (fall down and) worship, do obeisance to, prostrate oneself before, do
reverence to, welcome respectfully, in Attic Gk., and later (e.g. Appian, Mithrid. 104 §489), used w. the acc. (so Mt
4:10 and Lk 4:8 [Dt 6:13 v.l.]; J 4:22a, b, 23b, 24a v.l.; Rv 9:20.—Gen 37:9; Ex 11:8; Judg 7:15 A; Ep. Arist. 137;
138; Philo; Jos., Ant. 2, 13; 7, 250); beside it the Koine uses the dat. (Phryn. p. 463 L.; JWittmann, Sprachl. Untersuchungen zu Cosmas Indicopl., Diss. Munich ’13, 16; KWolf, Studien z. Sprache des Malalas II, Diss. Munich
’12, 34; Bl-D. §151, 2; Rob. 455; 476f); the LXX and our lit. prefer the dat. (s. also Ep. Arist. 135; Jos., Ant. 6,
55.—6, 154 πρ. τῷ θεῷ immediately after τὸν θεὸν πρ.). This reverence or worship is paid
1. to human beings who, however, are to be recognized by this act as belonging to a superhuman realm (Appian, Mithrid. 104 §489: Pompey; Galen, Protr. 5 p. 12, 2ff John: Socrates, Homer, Hippocrates, Plato): to a king (so
Hdt.+; cf. 2 Km 18:28; 24:20; 3 Km 1:16, 53. On proskynesis in the Hellenistic ruler cults s. LRTaylor, JHS 47, ’27,
53ff, The Divinity of the Rom. Emperor ’31, esp. 256-66; against her WWTarn, Alexander the Great II, ’50, 347-73) ὁ δοῦλος προσεκύνει αὐτῷ Mt 18:26 (of a female slave toward her κύριος PGiess. 17, 11f=Wilcken, Chrest. 481; cf. Jos., Ant. 2, 11); to Peter fr. Cornelius Ac 10:25 (cf. Apollonius [c. 197 AD] in Euseb., H.E. 5, 18, 6).—The church at Philadelphia προσκυνήσουσιν ἐνώπιον τῶν ποδῶν σου Rv 3:9 (on πρ. ἐνώπιόν τινος cf. Ps 21:28; 85:9; Is 66:23).
2. to God (Aeschyl.+; X., An. 3, 2, 9; 13; Pla., Rep. 3 p. 398A; Polyb. 18, 37, 10; Plut., Pomp. 14, 4; Lucian, Pisc, 21 τῇ θεῷ; PGM 4, 649. Of various divinities in the inscr. [cf. Dit., Or. II 700a index VIII; Sb 7911ff]; PFlor.
332, 11 θεούς; LXX; Philo, Gig. 54 τὸν θεόν al.; Jos., Ant. 6, 154; 20, 164 al.).
a. of the God worshipped by monotheists (Christians, Jews, Samaritans) κύριον τὸν θεόν σου προσκυνήσεις (Dt
6:13 v.l.) Mt 4:10; Lk 4:8. πρ. τῷ πατρί J 4:21, 23a; cf. b. τῷ θεῷ (Jos., Ant. 6, 55; 9, 267) Rv 19:4 (w. πίπτειν),
10b, 22:9. Cf. Hb 1:6 (Dt 32:43 LXX). τῷ ζῶντι Rv 4:10. τῷ ποιήσαντι τὸν οὐρανόν 14:7. πεσὼν ἐπὶ πρόσωπον προσκυνήσει τῷ θεῷ he will fall down and worship God (s. 2 Km 9:6) 1 Cor 14:25; cf. Rv 7:11; 11:16. ἐνώπιόν
σου (s. 1, end) 15:4. Abs. (Dit., Syll.3 1173, 2; PTebt. 416, 7; LXX) J 4:20a, b, 24a, b; Ac 8:27. Used w. ἀναβαίνειν
(UPZ 62, 33 [161 BC] ἐὰν ἀναβῶ κἀγὼ προσκυνῆσαι; Jos., Ant. 20, 164)J 12:20; Ac 24:11; cf. Rv 11:1. W. πίπτειν (s. Jos., Ant. 8, 119)Rv 5:14. προσεκύνησεν ἐπὶ τὸ ἄκρον τῆς ῥάβδου αὐτοῦ he bowed in worship (or prayed) over the head of his staff Hb 11:21 (Gen 47:31).
b. of the idol-worship of polytheism (LXX) προσκυνεῖν τοῖς νεκροῖς θεοῖς 2 Cl 3:1 or λίθους καὶ ξύλα κτλ.
1:6 (cf. Ep. Arist. 135. . . οἷς πρ.). Cf. Ac 7:43; Dg 2:5. τὰ ὑφʼ ὑμῶν προσκυνούμενα the things that are worshipped by you 2:4. Abs., w. θύειν MPol 12:2.
3. to the devil and Satanic beings Mt 4:9; Lk 4:7 (on πρ. ἐνώπιον ἐμοῦ s. 1 above). τὰ δαιμόνια Rv 9:20. τῷ δράκοντι 13:4a. τῷ θηρίῳ 13:4b. τὸ θηρίον vss. 8, 12; 20:4. τῇ εἰκόνι (Da 3:5 al.) τοῦ θηρίου 13:15; cf. 16:2;
19:20. τὸ θηρίον καὶ τ. εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ 14:9, 11. Cf. θηρίον 1b; also PTouilleux, L’Apocalypse et les cultes de
Domitien et de Cybèle ’35.—4. to angels Rv 22:8; cf. 19:10a.
5. to Jesus, who is revered and worshipped as Messianic King and Divine Helper: Mt 2:2, 8, 11.—8:2; 9:18;
14:33; 15:25; J 9:38.—Mt 20:20. The demons ask a favor of him Mk 5:6.—Mock worship on the part of soldiers
15:19 (στέφανος 1).—The Risen Lord is esp. the object of worship: Mt 28:9, 17; Lk 24:52 P75 et al. Likewise the exalted Christ MPol 17:3.—Lit. s.v. προσεύχομαι, end; Bolkestein [δεισιδαιμονία, end] 23ff; JHorst, Proskynein: Z. Anbetung im Urchristentum nach ihrer religionsgesch. Eigenart ’32; BertheMMarti, Proskynesis and adorare: Language
12, ’36, 272-82; BReicke, Some Reflections on Worship in the NT: TWManson mem. vol. ’59, 194-209. M-M. B.
1469.*"

(BDAG)

Here is a less good definition:

"προσκῠν-έω, fut. -ήσω Hippon.32 (tm.), Pl.R.469a: aor. προσεκύνησα X.Cyr.5.3.18; poet. προσέκῠσα Ar.Eq.640, imper. πρόσκυσον ib.156, S.Ph.776, inf. -κύσαι ib.657, part. -κύσας ib.533, 1408 (troch.): pf. -κεκύνηκα LXX Ex.32.8, OGI196.2 (Egypt, i B.C.):—Pass., pres. inf. προσκυνεῖσθαι E.Tr.1021: aor. προσεκυνήθην Arr.An.4.11.9:— make obeisance to the gods or their images, fall down and worship, c. acc., Hdt.2.121, etc.; γῆν τε π. ἅμα καὶ τὸν θεῶν Ὄλυμπον S.OC 1654, cf. A.Pers.499, Ar.Eq.156: prov., οἱ -κυνοῦντες τὴν Ἀδράστειαν σοφοί, of deprecating the wrath of Nemesis, A.Pr.936, cf. Pl.R.451a; τὸν φθόνον δὲ πρόσκυσον S.Ph.776; στεῖχε προσκύσας χθόνα, to avert divine wrath, ib.1408 (troch.); of sacred places, do reverence to, πατρῷα ἕδη θεῶν Id.El.1374; τὰς θήκας Pl.R.469b; τὴν θόλον D.19.314: abs., Ar.Eq.640.
2. esp. of the Oriental fashion of prostrating oneself before kings and superiors, abs., Hdt.1.119, 8.118: c. acc., π. τὸν Δαρεῖον make obeisance to him, Id.3.86; προσκυνεῖν διδάσκονται τὸν βασιλέα [οἱ ἐλέφαντες] Arist.HA630b20; προσπίπτων π. Hdt.1.134, cf. 7.136; πάντες σε προσκυνοῦμεν οἵδ’ ἱκτήριοι S.OT327; προσκυνῶ σ’, ἄναξ, προσπίτνων E.Or.1507 (troch.), cf. X.Cyr.5.3.18, 8.3.14, Plu.Them. 27, Arr. l.c., etc.; κύψας ὁ λαὸς προσεκύνησεν LXX Ex.12.27; οὐδένα ἄνθρωπον δεσπότην ἀλλὰ τοὺς θεοὺς π. X.An.3.2.13; π. τοὺς ὑβρίζοντας ὥσπερ ἐν τοῖς βαρβάροις D.21.106: ironically, π. τινὰ ὡς ἱερὸν καὶ θαυμαστόν Pl.R.398a: later c. dat., LXX Ge.24.26, al., Ev.Matt.2.2, 11, Ev.Jo.4.23, D.C.67.13; τῳ θεῷ J.AJ9.13.2. (Orig. perh. throw a kiss to the god, cf. Apul.Met.4.28: the gesture is probably represented in Sumerian and Babylonian art monuments.)

II. later, kiss, σοῦ -ήσω τὴν χεῖρα BGU423.15 (ii A.D.); τὸ πρόσωπον, τὴν ὄψιν, τοὺς πόδας, PLond.3.1244.4 (iv A.D.), PGiss.22.5 (ii A.D.), PGen. 91.6 (vi/vii A.D.).

2. greet, σπουδάζουσα -ῆσαί σε (by letter) BGU 615.8 (ii A.D.); ἔλθω πρὸς ὑμᾶς ἵνα ὑμᾶς -ήσω διὰ πολλοῦ χρόνου PLips. 110.19 (iii/iv A.D.), cf. PGiss.17.11 (ii A.D.).

3. welcome respectfully, respect, προσεκύνησά σου τὰ γράμματα POxy.237 vi 37 (ii A.D.), cf. PTeb.286.22 (ii A.D.), etc.; τὴν θείαν ἀντιγραφὴν ὑπὸ πάντων προσκυνουμένην OGI262.27 (Baetocaece, iii A.D.)."
(LSJ)

Did I offer these to be helpful? No. I admit it. I did it because I am so very tired of the countless threads in which some translation is challenged, proposed, or analyzed by somebody incapable of reading the language.


I applied it as it is in reality--Jesus was made lower than the angels--Gods word teaches even angels do not receive worship so obviously one lower than an angel--any mortal king--receives obeisance, not worship. Gods word backs what I teach--trinity translations are filled with error to mislead, by the will of satan.
Many Trinitarian teachings contradict what Jesus taught.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Hi, yes the God of Israel --YHWH(Jehovah) a single being mono God.
This God was taught to Matt,Mark, Luke, John, Peter, and Jesus his first 30 years attending the synagogues. Not one of them ever refuted that fact. I seriously doubt Jesus the son of God would ever attend a place of worship teaching a false God.
Hi, yes the God of Israel --YHWH(Jehovah) a single being mono God.
This God was taught to Matt,Mark, Luke, John, Peter, and Jesus his first 30 years attending the synagogues. Not one of them ever refuted that fact. I seriously doubt Jesus the son of God would ever attend a place of worship teaching a false God.


the trinity is just an evil way of man's carnal mind trying to explain God, just like every other doctrine. Blind leading the blind. The natural trying to explain things spiritual, which will always fail and is no truth.
As always, it takes the Spirit to teach things written by the Spirit.
When the kingdom of God has truly come upon an individual, he leaves religion, he is taught unity, equalness, the elimination of any and all divide, common ground amongst humans, genuine love and purity, and peace. Complete reconstruction of his/her conditioned and trained mind to the spiritual mind. Taught by the Spirit within his/her body. Taught the one and only truth.
The concept of God being a physical, individual man that came in the flesh is craziness. Now the truth of God being IN and residing in every humans flesh is beautiful. There is a grave difference between "having" faith and being "in" faith. The spiritual man knows and experiences God. Knows the truth. Gives and surrenders his life for true life.
There is one God, the Father, all Spirit, the energy, light, and perfect, pure, divine constant that holds everything together.
There is one Son, the Lord, all Spirit, the life, light, and blood in every human. Not a white haired bearded man residing in the skies.
Every human has a spirit and human body, that the spirit and life and blood resides in. Every human has heavenly places and earthly places.

Every individual that has ever had the breath of life, has one God, one Lord, one spirit, and one human body. The spirit and blood in every human is THE TRUTH and THE LIFE in every being.

Laws of nature, laws of God are visible evidence all around us.
How are we connected to that source of energy/ source of light? Easily, we all have that same source of energy/source of light WITHIN and INSIDE of us.
It's called LIFE.

Father to Son/Son to Father/energy to energy/light to light/life to life/love to love/etc.

How can we know God and experience God? Only way is WITHIN and INSIDE of us. The truth(spirit) and life(blood) within us all.

Our conditioned and controlled and brainwashed minds are taught by conditioned and controlled and brainwashed minds.
To look externally and outwardly and literally and historically instead of something that is INSIDE and WITHIN us all, and the ONLY access to know the true and one God where any and the only transformation can take place.
Our natural and conditioned minds look at scripture written by the Spirit of God and interpret that in natural and earthly ways, belittling God.
Earthly marriage, slavery, females being in subjection to males, God killing children, God coming back to physically conquer and destroy humans, God punishing his own creation to eternal torture and burning, incest, physical land on Earth being holy, initial sin and everyone being punished for a few humans' mistake, physical abuse, a literal snake and Satan that is to blame for everything, and not ourselves, doing vain outward works, the list goes on and on and is endless. It's all wrong. Couldn't be further from the truth.

All scripture is spiritual and is occurring internally inside the human body. Being spiritual isn't anything external, it isn't of vain works, it isn't going to a church building, it isn't seeing things naturally, literally, earthly, and historically.

We look naturally, externally, literally, and historically and condemn ourselves and create divide. Mankind teaching mankind (adultery) instead the spirit teaching mankind.

We are all beasts(flesh) and false prophets(natural-minded) and Satan(self-ego-reputation) until discovering the ultimate truth.

By every lie and falsity we speak, we are condemning ourselves. Taming the tongue isn't to stop cussing, taming the tongue is to stop speaking lies and falsity of God. Do not speak until spoken to by the Spirit and know without an inkling of doubt that it is true.

We reap what we sow. Good and evil.

Every genuine and pure act of love we show another, we are showing it to God. Every evil and vain act we show to another we are showing it to God. Our thoughts are dissected, our desires are known. There is no hiding because the spirit in us is listening.

We must eliminate the I and me and us and we and realize that apart from God , (the spirit residing inside of us) it is impossible to do any good. Fear the Lord. Be brought low, to humbleness, to poor, decrease you and your mind and increase the spirit/life/light/energy within you. Shut off the conditioned mind and what we think that we know because that is falsity and fails and harms others even if it is meant with good intent. It's still deception and lies. Creates fear, divide.

While everyone is arguing over the silliest things, my ego vs your ego, my intelligence vs your intelligence, my religion vs your religion, my image and imagination of a created God that I made in my own mind and heart vs your image and imagination of a created God that you made in your heart and mind, etc.... it all still comes back to the same conclusion.... Condemnation.

Man's will vs Gods will.
Man's carnal and false imagination vs God's will and truth.

Scripture: the destruction of our carnal, natural, outward, vain, false, desirous, self gratification, ego, pride, reputation, evil, fleshly, inhumane ways into a spiritual being of truth, love, unity, and peace.
Spiritual Union between God and mankind.
Divine marriage of spirit and body.
The human body is a mere vessel carrying out God's will. Only, the vast majority are carrying out their own will in their vessels. Most are self-deceived by thinking they are doing God's will.

We all could survive in this world and sin, not being completely consumed by the all pure, all Spirit, Father God because of a sacrifice before the foundations of it existed.


The truth is the one and only thing that can unite us all. The universal truth.
We all have the same life in us (spirit), we all have the same world to live in, we all breathe and die. We all have blood, bones, flesh, a heart, a brain, a mind, a conscious, a soul.
If we all have one God and the same Creator.... Wouldn't there be only ONE truth?

The scholar of the mind will always conflict with the prophet taught by the Spirit.

The LORD(Father) said unto my Lord(Son-Messiah-the Christ) sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies(sin in the human body) thy footstool. Light/life source to my light/life source.
The SPIRIT said to my Spirit.
Spirit/light/energy inside all of mankind is the only access to the Father.

Animal sacrifices have nothing to do with literal animal sacrifices. The spiritual truth is that the sacrifice and mercy was to be of the human carnality, the flesh/the beast, the deceived mind, the animalistic desires and lusts inside the body.

We are all physically alive and able to exist and sin without consumption because of the blood.
We are also able to be cleansed and made new through the sacrifice of our beastly/carnal ways and sprinkled by that same blood inside of us internally.

The human body is the wife in which the spirit-the husband drives.

We are either led by the Spirit or led by ourselves.

Endless translations and different languages have left us arguing over the exact particular name of this spirit and life and light within us. Jesus, Yeshua, Joshua.... Makes no difference.
We are all in a state of confusion and lack of truth because we rely on ourselves and other humans to teach us rather than meditating on the Spirit. We build our own man empires and towers to God leaving us in a state of Babel and Babylon and confusion.

Different authors inspired by the Spirit to write over long periods of time have used different words, metaphors, in their own language, in their own testimony of the spirit/light revealed to them in their minds and hearts. . And then translated many, many times by more men. Their own testimony of the inner destruction of themselves and sin by the Lord within and their transformation into the new spiritual man.
The divine spiritual Union of husband(spirit) and wife(human body)

Union of Father, Son, and body. (Holy Spirit/Ghost.)

The bible is not the Word of God. It contains words spoken of God. There are many beautiful inspired writings not in the Bible. Paul's writings are not inspired. They are not universal. He was a man that saw the light and wrote letters to particular buildings and giving his opinion a few times on things. Trying to explain the inner/spiritual things and mysteries of God which were revealed to him, and tried passing that along to the carnal and natural minded.

The Word of God comes speaking and experiencing and transforming and is no lie because it is only one truth and Spirit. It is the light and life. Claiming a book and writings to be the only access to God is blasphemous.

Nobody needs this book. Anyone can look within and be taught by the Spirit and light within. The end result will always be the same for the spiritual man. Fearing the Lord, Love, true peace and beauty, humbleness, unity, and equality, no religion, life, truth.... Spiritual energy flowing in harmonious rhythm and beauty. Always giving thanks and praise. And all written on the heart and mind internally. Not on paper and black ink.

The spokesman for the Father has always been the Son who is the literal life and blood inside of all beings representing the Father. Only source of access to the Father is inside of us. Light source to light source. Life source to life source. Spirit to spirit. LORD saying to my Lord.

We simply do underestimate the power of God and His sovereignty. Look at the physical Earth for instance, the country of Israel is practically dead smack in the middle, with the 12 tribes. The Capitol being Jerusalem. We look up and we see the skies/the heavens.
Now look within the human body spiritually.... We have the Earth as our physical body/our dust, we have Israel as our brain, the 12 cranial nerves camped around the brain, we have Jerusalem as our heart, and we have the tabernacle as the heavenly places inside of us where Zion dwells.
We have the Jewish literal history and the divide of those tribes into the South and North kingdoms as well as having the divide inside of our bodies as the spirit and flesh wrestle within against each other. The same common purpose: uniting both kingdoms so there is no divide. (Marriage of spirit and body.)
God showing mankind natural things in order for the truth to resurrect within. We all know about Judah.

The natural/outward man becoming the spiritual/inner man.

The old heaven and earth passing away and the new heaven and earth created.

The old man of self left behind, the child of God created.

The death of the evil seed child and The growth of the good, saving seed growing and resurrecting within us.

Sin and death defeated by the light shining and destroying the darkness within.
 
the trinity is just an evil way of man's carnal mind trying to explain God, just like every other doctrine. Blind leading the blind. The natural trying to explain things spiritual, which will always fail and is no truth.
As always, it takes the Spirit to teach things written by the Spirit.
When the kingdom of God has truly come upon an individual, he leaves religion, he is taught unity, equalness, the elimination of any and all divide, common ground amongst humans, genuine love and purity, and peace. Complete reconstruction of his/her conditioned and trained mind to the spiritual mind. Taught by the Spirit within his/her body. Taught the one and only truth.
The concept of God being a physical, individual man that came in the flesh is craziness. Now the truth of God being IN and residing in every humans flesh is beautiful. There is a grave difference between "having" faith and being "in" faith. The spiritual man knows and experiences God. Knows the truth. Gives and surrenders his life for true life.
There is one God, the Father, all Spirit, the energy, light, and perfect, pure, divine constant that holds everything together.
There is one Son, the Lord, all Spirit, the life, light, and blood in every human. Not a white haired bearded man residing in the skies.
Every human has a spirit and human body, that the spirit and life and blood resides in. Every human has heavenly places and earthly places.

Every individual that has ever had the breath of life, has one God, one Lord, one spirit, and one human body. The spirit and blood in every human is THE TRUTH and THE LIFE in every being.

Laws of nature, laws of God are visible evidence all around us.
How are we connected to that source of energy/ source of light? Easily, we all have that same source of energy/source of light WITHIN and INSIDE of us.
It's called LIFE.

Father to Son/Son to Father/energy to energy/light to light/life to life/love to love/etc.

How can we know God and experience God? Only way is WITHIN and INSIDE of us. The truth(spirit) and life(blood) within us all.

Our conditioned and controlled and brainwashed minds are taught by conditioned and controlled and brainwashed minds.
To look externally and outwardly and literally and historically instead of something that is INSIDE and WITHIN us all, and the ONLY access to know the true and one God where any and the only transformation can take place.
Our natural and conditioned minds look at scripture written by the Spirit of God and interpret that in natural and earthly ways, belittling God.
Earthly marriage, slavery, females being in subjection to males, God killing children, God coming back to physically conquer and destroy humans, God punishing his own creation to eternal torture and burning, incest, physical land on Earth being holy, initial sin and everyone being punished for a few humans' mistake, physical abuse, a literal snake and Satan that is to blame for everything, and not ourselves, doing vain outward works, the list goes on and on and is endless. It's all wrong. Couldn't be further from the truth.

All scripture is spiritual and is occurring internally inside the human body. Being spiritual isn't anything external, it isn't of vain works, it isn't going to a church building, it isn't seeing things naturally, literally, earthly, and historically.

We look naturally, externally, literally, and historically and condemn ourselves and create divide. Mankind teaching mankind (adultery) instead the spirit teaching mankind.

We are all beasts(flesh) and false prophets(natural-minded) and Satan(self-ego-reputation) until discovering the ultimate truth.

By every lie and falsity we speak, we are condemning ourselves. Taming the tongue isn't to stop cussing, taming the tongue is to stop speaking lies and falsity of God. Do not speak until spoken to by the Spirit and know without an inkling of doubt that it is true.

We reap what we sow. Good and evil.

Every genuine and pure act of love we show another, we are showing it to God. Every evil and vain act we show to another we are showing it to God. Our thoughts are dissected, our desires are known. There is no hiding because the spirit in us is listening.

We must eliminate the I and me and us and we and realize that apart from God , (the spirit residing inside of us) it is impossible to do any good. Fear the Lord. Be brought low, to humbleness, to poor, decrease you and your mind and increase the spirit/life/light/energy within you. Shut off the conditioned mind and what we think that we know because that is falsity and fails and harms others even if it is meant with good intent. It's still deception and lies. Creates fear, divide.

While everyone is arguing over the silliest things, my ego vs your ego, my intelligence vs your intelligence, my religion vs your religion, my image and imagination of a created God that I made in my own mind and heart vs your image and imagination of a created God that you made in your heart and mind, etc.... it all still comes back to the same conclusion.... Condemnation.

Man's will vs Gods will.
Man's carnal and false imagination vs God's will and truth.

Scripture: the destruction of our carnal, natural, outward, vain, false, desirous, self gratification, ego, pride, reputation, evil, fleshly, inhumane ways into a spiritual being of truth, love, unity, and peace.
Spiritual Union between God and mankind.
Divine marriage of spirit and body.
The human body is a mere vessel carrying out God's will. Only, the vast majority are carrying out their own will in their vessels. Most are self-deceived by thinking they are doing God's will.

We all could survive in this world and sin, not being completely consumed by the all pure, all Spirit, Father God because of a sacrifice before the foundations of it existed.


The truth is the one and only thing that can unite us all. The universal truth.
We all have the same life in us (spirit), we all have the same world to live in, we all breathe and die. We all have blood, bones, flesh, a heart, a brain, a mind, a conscious, a soul.
If we all have one God and the same Creator.... Wouldn't there be only ONE truth?

The scholar of the mind will always conflict with the prophet taught by the Spirit.

The LORD(Father) said unto my Lord(Son-Messiah-the Christ) sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies(sin in the human body) thy footstool. Light/life source to my light/life source.
The SPIRIT said to my Spirit.
Spirit/light/energy inside all of mankind is the only access to the Father.

Animal sacrifices have nothing to do with literal animal sacrifices. The spiritual truth is that the sacrifice and mercy was to be of the human carnality, the flesh/the beast, the deceived mind, the animalistic desires and lusts inside the body.

We are all physically alive and able to exist and sin without consumption because of the blood.
We are also able to be cleansed and made new through the sacrifice of our beastly/carnal ways and sprinkled by that same blood inside of us internally.

The human body is the wife in which the spirit-the husband drives.

We are either led by the Spirit or led by ourselves.

Endless translations and different languages have left us arguing over the exact particular name of this spirit and life and light within us. Jesus, Yeshua, Joshua.... Makes no difference.
We are all in a state of confusion and lack of truth because we rely on ourselves and other humans to teach us rather than meditating on the Spirit. We build our own man empires and towers to God leaving us in a state of Babel and Babylon and confusion.

Different authors inspired by the Spirit to write over long periods of time have used different words, metaphors, in their own language, in their own testimony of the spirit/light revealed to them in their minds and hearts. . And then translated many, many times by more men. Their own testimony of the inner destruction of themselves and sin by the Lord within and their transformation into the new spiritual man.
The divine spiritual Union of husband(spirit) and wife(human body)

Union of Father, Son, and body. (Holy Spirit/Ghost.)

The bible is not the Word of God. It contains words spoken of God. There are many beautiful inspired writings not in the Bible. Paul's writings are not inspired. They are not universal. He was a man that saw the light and wrote letters to particular buildings and giving his opinion a few times on things. Trying to explain the inner/spiritual things and mysteries of God which were revealed to him, and tried passing that along to the carnal and natural minded.

The Word of God comes speaking and experiencing and transforming and is no lie because it is only one truth and Spirit. It is the light and life. Claiming a book and writings to be the only access to God is blasphemous.

Nobody needs this book. Anyone can look within and be taught by the Spirit and light within. The end result will always be the same for the spiritual man. Fearing the Lord, Love, true peace and beauty, humbleness, unity, and equality, no religion, life, truth.... Spiritual energy flowing in harmonious rhythm and beauty. Always giving thanks and praise. And all written on the heart and mind internally. Not on paper and black ink.

The spokesman for the Father has always been the Son who is the literal life and blood inside of all beings representing the Father. Only source of access to the Father is inside of us. Light source to light source. Life source to life source. Spirit to spirit. LORD saying to my Lord.

We simply do underestimate the power of God and His sovereignty. Look at the physical Earth for instance, the country of Israel is practically dead smack in the middle, with the 12 tribes. The Capitol being Jerusalem. We look up and we see the skies/the heavens.
Now look within the human body spiritually.... We have the Earth as our physical body/our dust, we have Israel as our brain, the 12 cranial nerves camped around the brain, we have Jerusalem as our heart, and we have the tabernacle as the heavenly places inside of us where Zion dwells.
We have the Jewish literal history and the divide of those tribes into the South and North kingdoms as well as having the divide inside of our bodies as the spirit and flesh wrestle within against each other. The same common purpose: uniting both kingdoms so there is no divide. (Marriage of spirit and body.)
God showing mankind natural things in order for the truth to resurrect within. We all know about Judah.

The natural/outward man becoming the spiritual/inner man.

The old heaven and earth passing away and the new heaven and earth created.

The old man of self left behind, the child of God created.

The death of the evil seed child and The growth of the good, saving seed growing and resurrecting within us.

Sin and death defeated by the light shining and destroying the darkness within.

You just stated, " Paul's writings are not inspired." Paul has more writings in the NT part of the holy scriptures than any other writer.14 Total.Paul was indeed led by holy spirit.He performed miracles and did many other things.To not believe that Paul was led by holy spirit is to deny Jesus and his teachings.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
You just stated, " Paul's writings are not inspired." Paul has more writings in the NT part of the holy scriptures than any other writer.14 Total.Paul was indeed led by holy spirit.He performed miracles and did many other things.To not believe that Paul was led by holy spirit is to deny Jesus and his teachings.
I love Paul's writings. Paul was led by the Spirit as well as many more people who have ever existed. Are you led by the Spirit or theology?
 
I love Paul's writings. Paul was led by the Spirit as well as many more people who have ever existed. Are you led by the Spirit or theology?

Wait a minute......... Inspired means that the holy scriptures were given to mankind by way of God's holy spirit.Paul was inspired and wrote.That means God used Paul to do His will.You stated Paul was not inspired.Now you are saying he was.I am so confused.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Wait a minute......... Inspired means that the holy scriptures were given to mankind by way of God's holy spirit.Paul was inspired and wrote.That means God used Paul to do His will.You stated Paul was not inspired.Now you are saying he was.I am so confused.
Anyone using "I command" in their writings would never be compiled into a book that God would want together. I have no doubts Paul was led by the Spirit and performing his calling, and wanted desperately for the vain to see the inward light revealed to him, in the most selfless of ways, to plant seeds, but it'd be no different than you or I, or anyone writing letters inspired by us to church buildings explaining this beautiful light and explaining the Hebrew Scriptures in a spiritual/inner way. Christiandom's own religion misinterpret what he's trying to say, as well as what Jesus was saying.
I respect your thoughts, and peace and many blessings to you.
 
Anyone using "I command" in their writings would never be compiled into a book that God would want together. I have no doubts Paul was led by the Spirit and performing his calling, and wanted desperately for the vain to see the inward light revealed to him, in the most selfless of ways, to plant seeds, but it'd be no different than you or I, or anyone writing letters inspired by us to church buildings explaining this beautiful light and explaining the Hebrew Scriptures in a spiritual/inner way. Christiandom's own religion misinterpret what he's trying to say, as well as what Jesus was saying.
I respect your thoughts, and peace and many blessings to you.

Thank you for that very respectful comment.I appreciate it.:):thumbsup:
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
I know that I don't have to rely on another's knowledge of a language to read the NT.


there are about 33,000 different religions claiming to be Christian--to the world it looks like a disunified mass of confusion, because it is. all claim to be lead by HS, but are not--they are a house divided-Mark 3:24-26, 1Cor 1:10) only 1 has HS and truth. One has Jesus as their head--- And Jesus taught --to be no part of this world--means they will be way different than the others
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
the trinity is just an evil way of man's carnal mind trying to explain God, just like every other doctrine. Blind leading the blind. The natural trying to explain things spiritual, which will always fail and is no truth.
As always, it takes the Spirit to teach things written by the Spirit.
When the kingdom of God has truly come upon an individual, he leaves religion, he is taught unity, equalness, the elimination of any and all divide, common ground amongst humans, genuine love and purity, and peace. Complete reconstruction of his/her conditioned and trained mind to the spiritual mind. Taught by the Spirit within his/her body. Taught the one and only truth.
The concept of God being a physical, individual man that came in the flesh is craziness. Now the truth of God being IN and residing in every humans flesh is beautiful. There is a grave difference between "having" faith and being "in" faith. The spiritual man knows and experiences God. Knows the truth. Gives and surrenders his life for true life.
There is one God, the Father, all Spirit, the energy, light, and perfect, pure, divine constant that holds everything together.
There is one Son, the Lord, all Spirit, the life, light, and blood in every human. Not a white haired bearded man residing in the skies.
Every human has a spirit and human body, that the spirit and life and blood resides in. Every human has heavenly places and earthly places.

Every individual that has ever had the breath of life, has one God, one Lord, one spirit, and one human body. The spirit and blood in every human is THE TRUTH and THE LIFE in every being.

Laws of nature, laws of God are visible evidence all around us.
How are we connected to that source of energy/ source of light? Easily, we all have that same source of energy/source of light WITHIN and INSIDE of us.
It's called LIFE.

Father to Son/Son to Father/energy to energy/light to light/life to life/love to love/etc.

How can we know God and experience God? Only way is WITHIN and INSIDE of us. The truth(spirit) and life(blood) within us all.

Our conditioned and controlled and brainwashed minds are taught by conditioned and controlled and brainwashed minds.
To look externally and outwardly and literally and historically instead of something that is INSIDE and WITHIN us all, and the ONLY access to know the true and one God where any and the only transformation can take place.
Our natural and conditioned minds look at scripture written by the Spirit of God and interpret that in natural and earthly ways, belittling God.
Earthly marriage, slavery, females being in subjection to males, God killing children, God coming back to physically conquer and destroy humans, God punishing his own creation to eternal torture and burning, incest, physical land on Earth being holy, initial sin and everyone being punished for a few humans' mistake, physical abuse, a literal snake and Satan that is to blame for everything, and not ourselves, doing vain outward works, the list goes on and on and is endless. It's all wrong. Couldn't be further from the truth.

All scripture is spiritual and is occurring internally inside the human body. Being spiritual isn't anything external, it isn't of vain works, it isn't going to a church building, it isn't seeing things naturally, literally, earthly, and historically.

We look naturally, externally, literally, and historically and condemn ourselves and create divide. Mankind teaching mankind (adultery) instead the spirit teaching mankind.

We are all beasts(flesh) and false prophets(natural-minded) and Satan(self-ego-reputation) until discovering the ultimate truth.

By every lie and falsity we speak, we are condemning ourselves. Taming the tongue isn't to stop cussing, taming the tongue is to stop speaking lies and falsity of God. Do not speak until spoken to by the Spirit and know without an inkling of doubt that it is true.

We reap what we sow. Good and evil.

Every genuine and pure act of love we show another, we are showing it to God. Every evil and vain act we show to another we are showing it to God. Our thoughts are dissected, our desires are known. There is no hiding because the spirit in us is listening.

We must eliminate the I and me and us and we and realize that apart from God , (the spirit residing inside of us) it is impossible to do any good. Fear the Lord. Be brought low, to humbleness, to poor, decrease you and your mind and increase the spirit/life/light/energy within you. Shut off the conditioned mind and what we think that we know because that is falsity and fails and harms others even if it is meant with good intent. It's still deception and lies. Creates fear, divide.

While everyone is arguing over the silliest things, my ego vs your ego, my intelligence vs your intelligence, my religion vs your religion, my image and imagination of a created God that I made in my own mind and heart vs your image and imagination of a created God that you made in your heart and mind, etc.... it all still comes back to the same conclusion.... Condemnation.

Man's will vs Gods will.
Man's carnal and false imagination vs God's will and truth.

Scripture: the destruction of our carnal, natural, outward, vain, false, desirous, self gratification, ego, pride, reputation, evil, fleshly, inhumane ways into a spiritual being of truth, love, unity, and peace.
Spiritual Union between God and mankind.
Divine marriage of spirit and body.
The human body is a mere vessel carrying out God's will. Only, the vast majority are carrying out their own will in their vessels. Most are self-deceived by thinking they are doing God's will.

We all could survive in this world and sin, not being completely consumed by the all pure, all Spirit, Father God because of a sacrifice before the foundations of it existed.


The truth is the one and only thing that can unite us all. The universal truth.
We all have the same life in us (spirit), we all have the same world to live in, we all breathe and die. We all have blood, bones, flesh, a heart, a brain, a mind, a conscious, a soul.
If we all have one God and the same Creator.... Wouldn't there be only ONE truth?

The scholar of the mind will always conflict with the prophet taught by the Spirit.

The LORD(Father) said unto my Lord(Son-Messiah-the Christ) sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies(sin in the human body) thy footstool. Light/life source to my light/life source.
The SPIRIT said to my Spirit.
Spirit/light/energy inside all of mankind is the only access to the Father.

Animal sacrifices have nothing to do with literal animal sacrifices. The spiritual truth is that the sacrifice and mercy was to be of the human carnality, the flesh/the beast, the deceived mind, the animalistic desires and lusts inside the body.

We are all physically alive and able to exist and sin without consumption because of the blood.
We are also able to be cleansed and made new through the sacrifice of our beastly/carnal ways and sprinkled by that same blood inside of us internally.

The human body is the wife in which the spirit-the husband drives.

We are either led by the Spirit or led by ourselves.

Endless translations and different languages have left us arguing over the exact particular name of this spirit and life and light within us. Jesus, Yeshua, Joshua.... Makes no difference.
We are all in a state of confusion and lack of truth because we rely on ourselves and other humans to teach us rather than meditating on the Spirit. We build our own man empires and towers to God leaving us in a state of Babel and Babylon and confusion.

Different authors inspired by the Spirit to write over long periods of time have used different words, metaphors, in their own language, in their own testimony of the spirit/light revealed to them in their minds and hearts. . And then translated many, many times by more men. Their own testimony of the inner destruction of themselves and sin by the Lord within and their transformation into the new spiritual man.
The divine spiritual Union of husband(spirit) and wife(human body)

Union of Father, Son, and body. (Holy Spirit/Ghost.)

The bible is not the Word of God. It contains words spoken of God. There are many beautiful inspired writings not in the Bible. Paul's writings are not inspired. They are not universal. He was a man that saw the light and wrote letters to particular buildings and giving his opinion a few times on things. Trying to explain the inner/spiritual things and mysteries of God which were revealed to him, and tried passing that along to the carnal and natural minded.

The Word of God comes speaking and experiencing and transforming and is no lie because it is only one truth and Spirit. It is the light and life. Claiming a book and writings to be the only access to God is blasphemous.

Nobody needs this book. Anyone can look within and be taught by the Spirit and light within. The end result will always be the same for the spiritual man. Fearing the Lord, Love, true peace and beauty, humbleness, unity, and equality, no religion, life, truth.... Spiritual energy flowing in harmonious rhythm and beauty. Always giving thanks and praise. And all written on the heart and mind internally. Not on paper and black ink.

The spokesman for the Father has always been the Son who is the literal life and blood inside of all beings representing the Father. Only source of access to the Father is inside of us. Light source to light source. Life source to life source. Spirit to spirit. LORD saying to my Lord.

We simply do underestimate the power of God and His sovereignty. Look at the physical Earth for instance, the country of Israel is practically dead smack in the middle, with the 12 tribes. The Capitol being Jerusalem. We look up and we see the skies/the heavens.
Now look within the human body spiritually.... We have the Earth as our physical body/our dust, we have Israel as our brain, the 12 cranial nerves camped around the brain, we have Jerusalem as our heart, and we have the tabernacle as the heavenly places inside of us where Zion dwells.
We have the Jewish literal history and the divide of those tribes into the South and North kingdoms as well as having the divide inside of our bodies as the spirit and flesh wrestle within against each other. The same common purpose: uniting both kingdoms so there is no divide. (Marriage of spirit and body.)
God showing mankind natural things in order for the truth to resurrect within. We all know about Judah.

The natural/outward man becoming the spiritual/inner man.

The old heaven and earth passing away and the new heaven and earth created.

The old man of self left behind, the child of God created.

The death of the evil seed child and The growth of the good, saving seed growing and resurrecting within us.

Sin and death defeated by the light shining and destroying the darkness within.


please keep it short--- this is how one wins--Matt 16:24---Few can do it.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
there are about 33,000 different religions claiming to be Christian--to the world it looks like a disunified mass of confusion, because it is. all claim to be lead by HS, but are not--they are a house divided-Mark 3:24-26, 1Cor 1:10) only 1 has HS and truth. One has Jesus as their head--- And Jesus taught --to be no part of this world--means they will be way different than the others
How does this relate to your claims about translations of a language you can't read?
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
How does this relate to your claims about translations of a language you can't read?


What I posted was true--except I usually say 4 or more meanings--only 2 are needed to show what Gods word taught.
Your own explanation you showed proved I was right about what a mortal Jesus received when he was bowed to--same as any other mortal king--obeisance. Not worship.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
there are about 33,000 different religions claiming to be Christian--to the world it looks like a disunified mass of confusion, because it is.
A patchwork quilt looks the same way, yet all the different pieces are knit together into one coherent whole.
 
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