trangender man shoots up Christian school

[IndigoChild5559]

I'm sure by now that all of you have heard the news of teh school shooting in Tenessee. I figured I'd start a place for us to discuss it. The bare facts so far is that the shooter identifies as a transgender man, although most articles I've read seem to refer to him as she/her. Wonder what that's all about? Anyhow, he is a former student from the school.

Question: is this a targeting of a religion because it won't go along with teh transgender ideology? Because if that is the case, then this is a hate crime. We can only wait and see what investigation reveals. So far, the state's representative is calling for the shooter's manifesto to be made public. I think that's a good idea.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Question: is this a targeting of a religion because it won't go along with teh transgender ideology? Because if that is the case, then this is a hate crime.

Why would that be a hate crime?

Generally, when someone acts out violently against their abuser, the assumption is that there are mitigating factors at play.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Why would that be a hate crime?

Generally, when someone acts out violently against their abuser, the assumption is that there are mitigating factors at play.

Anytime you target a religion with violence, it's a hate crime. Doesn't matter if its Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, whatever.

There is no mitigating factor for shooting up little kids. Are you kidding me?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Anytime you target a religion with violence, it's a hate crime. Doesn't matter if its Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, whatever.

So you aren't basing your opinion on anything deeper than that. Got it.

There is no mitigating factor for shooting up little kids. Are you kidding me?

No, I'm not.

Edit: what do you think will be uncovered in the weeks and months to come about Hale's experience as a student at the school?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Question: is this a targeting of a religion because it won't go along with teh transgender ideology? Because if that is the case, then this is a hate crime. We can only wait and see what investigation reveals.

Then perhaps you should do so.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Anytime you target a religion with violence, it's a hate crime.

There is a world of difference between targeting a religion and targeting a religious institution.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Generally, when someone acts out violently against their abuser, the assumption is that there are mitigating factors at play.

I was unaware that the assailant was abused by the tree nine-year-old children, nor have I heard evidence that Hale was abused by the three adults. What precisely, makes their murder " less severe, serious, or painful"?

 

[Left Coast]

I'm sure by now that all of you have heard the news of teh school shooting in Tenessee. I figured I'd start a place for us to discuss it. The bare facts so far is that the shooter identifies as a transgender man, although most articles I've read seem to refer to him as she/her. Wonder what that's all about? Anyhow, he is a former student from the school.

Question: is this a targeting of a religion because it won't go along with teh transgender ideology? Because if that is the case, then this is a hate crime. We can only wait and see what investigation reveals. So far, the state's representative is calling for the shooter's manifesto to be made public. I think that's a good idea.

There's already a whole, very heated thread about this incident...

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So you aren't basing your opinion on anything deeper than that. Got it.


No, I'm not.

Edit: what do you think will be uncovered in the weeks and months to come about Hale's experience as a student at the school?

They will talk about how he was bullied in school, same as virtually all school shooters.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

There is a world of difference between targeting a religion and targeting a religious institution.

Do you make this distinction when someone attacks a synagogue?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

They will talk about how he was bullied in school, same as virtually all school shooters.

So then why have you decided that the shooting was a hate crime?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

There's already a whole, very heated thread about this incident...

Can you give the link? Or perhaps simply the title and forum where the debate is located? Thanks

 

[Left Coast]

Can you give the link? Or perhaps simply the title and forum where the debate is located? Thanks

Any time.

School shooting today. At least 3 kids dead.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/school-shooting-tennessee-leaves-multiple-injured-shooter-dead-officia-rcna76841 Just another day in America.

www.religiousforums.com

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So then why have you decided that the shooting was a hate crime?

Because I suspect that when the manifesto becomes public, it will outline a hatred not just for this one school or those particular kids who bullied him, but for Christianity, which does not adopt the transgender ideology. I suspect that the man will declare that the Christianity and Christians are jointly responsible for what he views as a personal threat against him, thus making it "okay" for him to target perfectly innocent people simply because they were at a Christian school. But that's just me feeling out the probability, what I think will likely happen. Until the manifesto is made public, it is only an intelligent guess.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I was unaware that the assailant was abused by the tree nine-year-old children, nor have I heard evidence that Hale was abused by the three adults. What precisely, makes their murder " less severe, serious, or painful"?

Christians are a thorn in the side for transpeople. Like how they call us confused, ban our treatment, insist we are sexual predators, obsess with regrets and failed transitions in ways they don't with other medical procedures, some states (I believe Tennessee is one) warn people of our presence, amd they go on at length at how we're damned sinners making a mockery of their god's design. A friend of mine has been coming out, and I have got to hear a lot about people praying for this person amd hoping this person gets (what they think is a) "suitable" spouse to make this person realize being trans isn't what's really going on. But that's something that's very commonly shared among trans people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Because I suspect that when the manifesto becomes public, it will outline a hatred not just for this one school or those particular kids who bullied him, but for Christianity, which does not adopt the transgender ideology. I suspect that the man will declare that the Christianity and Christians are jointly responsible for what he views as a personal threat against him, thus making it "okay" for him to target perfectly innocent people simply because they were at a Christian school. But that's just me feeling out the probability, what I think will likely happen. Until the manifesto is made public, it is only an intelligent guess.

There is no "transgender ideology" and lots of Christians do accept being trans as another way their god makes people.
Doesn't seem like a very intelligent or informed guess to me.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They will talk about how he was bullied in school, same as virtually all school shooters.

That too me suggests we need a long, hard discussion about bullying and this nonsense it's ok and a normal part growing up/some sort of rite of passage.

 

[Palehorse]

I'm sure by now that all of you have heard the news of teh school shooting in Tenessee. I figured I'd start a place for us to discuss it. The bare facts so far is that the shooter identifies as a transgender man, although most articles I've read seem to refer to him as she/her. Wonder what that's all about? Anyhow, he is a former student from the school.

Question: is this a targeting of a religion because it won't go along with teh transgender ideology? Because if that is the case, then this is a hate crime. We can only wait and see what investigation reveals. So far, the state's representative is calling for the shooter's manifesto to be made public. I think that's a good idea.

There's gotta be somthn in the bibles bout prostitute we berians that explains it...after all trump is prysteberiantian.....idk

 

[Shadow Wolf]

after all trump is prysteberiantian.

I don't accept the No True Scots argument, I reject telling people what they are, but in this case I believe Trump is not Christian.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

That too me suggests we need a long, hard discussion about bullying and this nonsense it's ok and a normal part growing up/some sort of rite of passage.

I absolutely think that bullying is wrong and I hold school administrators responsible for not stopping it. But bullying is not an excuse to kill innocent people.