The universe and the laws

[We Never Know]

Figured I would just start a thread to get more feedback.

Something(big bang or?) happened before quantum physics or any law(s) existed. To me that says things can happen without laws etc.
How would that be possible?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Reality is on the other side of the conception of reality. The human mind uses conception to try and understand the reality it perceives, but this conception exists as a mental representation, it is not actually the thing it perceives. Laws of physics are conceptual reality as observed or imagined by the human mind.

 

[ameyAtmA]

Figured I would just start a thread to get more feedback.

Something(big bang or?) happened before quantum physics or any law(s) existed. To me that says things can happen without laws etc.
How would that be possible?

The laws always "held" or "applied" (better words than existed). Eternally.

 

[King Phenomenon]

Reality is on the other side of the conception of reality. The human mind uses conception to try and understand the reality it perceives, but this conception exists as a mental representation, it is not actually the thing it perceives. Laws of physics are conceptual reality as observed by some human mind.

life is what it is. infinite space included. nothing weird about it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

life is what it is. infinite space included. nothing weird about it.

Yes, it is what it is.

 

[We Never Know]

The laws always "held" or "applied" (better words than existed). Eternally.

But if the laws break down the further we go back...... In my opinion they didn't exist... or at least they didn't apply.

 

[Truth in love]

Figured I would just start a thread to get more feedback.

Something(big bang or?) happened before quantum physics or any law(s) existed. To me that says things can happen without laws etc.
How would that be possible?

Eternal law. Our understanding of physics is limited to what we can observe from our little dot. We look back to kick off, but can’t really see the planning of the stadium and writing of the rule book.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

The laws always "held" or "applied" (better words than existed). Eternally.

But why?

 

[ppp]

Something(big bang or?) happened before quantum physics or any law(s) existed.

What makes you think that something happened before there were laws (i.e. before there were behaviors of stuff that exists)?

 

[Stevicus]

Figured I would just start a thread to get more feedback.

Something(big bang or?) happened before quantum physics or any law(s) existed. To me that says things can happen without laws etc.
How would that be possible?

Well, obviously something happened, but whether it happened without the laws of physics, I'm not sure what that would look like.

 

[Left Coast]

Figured I would just start a thread to get more feedback.

Something(big bang or?) happened before quantum physics or any law(s) existed. To me that says things can happen without laws etc.
How would that be possible?

Perhaps other "laws"/principles applied before the ones we currently know about? I don't think we have any way to know what existed before/outside the Big Bang.

 

[We Never Know]

Well, obviously something happened, but whether it happened without the laws of physics, I'm not sure what that would look like.

As I previously stated... If the laws break down the further we go back...... In my opinion they didn't exist... or at least they didn't apply.

 

[The Hammer]

Figured I would just start a thread to get more feedback.

Something(big bang or?) happened before quantum physics or any law(s) existed. To me that says things can happen without laws etc.
How would that be possible?

My guess is the multiverse theory of many universes.

Our universe was the by-product of another being condensed into a black hole, and then ejected via Hawking Radiation.

Before that. Who cares?

 

[We Never Know]

My guess is the multiverse theory of many universes.

Our universe was the by-product of another being condensed into a black hole, and then ejected via Hawking Radiation.

Before that. Who cares?

When you google does a black hole ever get full..

Its comes up....

"No, in fact they are a result of something being filled too much. Black holes form when a colossal amount of material gets crammed into a tiny space that's much too small for it all to exist at once. When this happens, it collapses into something called a singularity."

So if a colossal amount of material gets crammed into a tiny space creating a singularity, our universe might be from a black hole that expanded.

Can a black hole ever fill up? | Space Facts – Astronomy, the Solar System & Outer Space | All About Space Magazine.

 

[The Hammer]

So if a colossal amount of material gets crammed into a tiny space creating a singularity, our universe might be from a black hole that expanded.

Or we are within the black hole still (how would we know?).

 

[Stevicus]

As I previously stated... If the laws break down the further we go back...... In my opinion they didn't exist... or at least they didn't apply.

Well, I suppose if we're going back to a time when the universe was nothing but an empty void - no motion, no gravity, no planets or stars, there doesn't appear there would be any occasion for such laws to apply.

 

[We Never Know]

Or we are within the black hole still (how would we know?).

Right. Who really knows.

 

[We Never Know]

Well, I suppose if we're going back to a time when the universe was nothing but an empty void - no motion, no gravity, no planets or stars, there doesn't appear there would be any occasion for such laws to apply.

Which goes back to the OP..

"Something(big bang or?) happened before quantum physics or any law(s) existed. To me that says things can happen without laws etc.
How would that be possible?"

 

[We Never Know]

Or we are within the black hole still (how would we know?).

Or we might be just black hole vomit

 

[The Hammer]

Yep. We might be just black hole vomit

Ordered black hole vomit, thank you very much.

from Chaos come Order.