'The spell'

[jeffrey]

Candles are lit, incense burning... The Priest stands before the alter. A substance in the chalice.. He raises the chalice to the air, chanting... Turning what's in the chalice to blood... One by one, men, women and children drink the blood.... A Wiccan rite? A Pagan ritual?.. Neither.. It's part of the Catholic Eucarist. There is not much difference between the 2. Just your brought up beliefs.

 

[Bishka]

Interesting way to put it.

 

[Mike182]

i was reading an article about the rise of gothic christian culture in churches, and it said something similar to that :bounce

 

[Evenstar]

Maybe this is why I felt the Catholic Church was ok.

They play the same way I do lol.​

Good thoughts though.... and once again they have a better altar than I do

 

[jeffrey]

Maybe this is why I felt the Catholic Church was ok.

They play the same way I do lol.​

Good thoughts though.... and once again they have a better altar than I do

Honey, our taxes will be back in a couple weeks. I'll buy you a nice alter.

 

[turk179]

I come from an entire family of Catholics. Even though what you say is true my mom would probably pass out if she tried to look at it that way:biglaugh:.

 

[Scott1]

Candles are lit, incense burning... The Priest stands before the alter. A substance in the chalice.. He raises the chalice to the air, chanting... Turning what's in the chalice to blood... One by one, men, women and children drink the blood.... A Wiccan rite? A Pagan ritual?.. Neither.. It's part of the Catholic Eucarist. There is not much difference between the 2. Just your brought up beliefs.

In pagan/wiccan rites, what changes the substance in the chalice to blood?

 

[jeffrey]

In pagan/wiccan rites, what changes the substance in the chalice to blood?

Who said it does? I merely pointing out how some people view 'Pagans and Wiccans', when, in fact, the practice described was Catholic, NOT Pagan. And in reality, the wine never changes to blood.

 

[Scott1]

Who said it does?

Me... at least in the Eucharist.... just trying to learn about what you folks believe.

I merely pointing out how some people view 'Pagans and Wiccans', when, in fact, the practice described was Catholic, NOT Pagan. And in reality, the wine never changes to blood.

Good to know the difference between the two, thanks.

 

[jeffrey]

And if a CW did the same ritual to God, but in his own 'church', own alter, his own chalice, he would be deemed a witch by most.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Me... at least in the Eucharist.... just trying to learn about what you folks believe.

Good to know the difference between the two, thanks.

What an excellent and insightful posts, Scott. Frubals on your head!

 

[Scott1]

And if a CW did the same ritual to God, but in his own 'church', own alter, his own chalice, he would be deemed a witch by most.

Umm... forgive my ignorance: I assume a "CW" is a Christian Wicca, yes?... if so then wouldn't "witch" (or some other gender appropriate description) not be an appropriate term this person would use to describe him/her self?

... and since you already established that "the wine never changes to blood." this would be a neat trick, yes.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Evenstar]

Scott, Yes a CW means Christian/Wiccan but NOT all Wiccans would like to call them self a witch.

Some in this forum would like to disagree but not all use witchcraft either.​

 

[Scott1]

Scott, Yes a CW means Christian/Wiccan but NOT all Wiccans would like to call them selfs a witch.

Some in this forum would like to disagree but not all use witchcraft either.​

Ok... starting to get it.. piece by piece... thanks for the help.

I must say, it does seem like a rip-off to be a CW and not use witchcraft... what's the fun in that?

 

[Evenstar]

Ok... starting to get it.. piece by piece... thanks for the help.

I must say, it does seem like a rip-off to be a CW and not use witchcraft... what's the fun in that?

LOL! Its more about your spiritual path, I enjoy my path, and also do rituals for self improvement.

 

[jeffrey]

You misunderstood. Not all Wiccans practice witchcraft. And most have a misconception of witchcraft anyways. The Wiccan part that I like is the love and peace with nature. To appreciate God's earth. Most believe in 2 Gods or more, but some only one. Myself, Christ is God.

 

[Scott1]

You misunderstood. Not all Wiccans practice witchcraft.

That's pretty clear to me now.

The Wiccan part that I like is the love and peace with nature.

And this is absent in Christianity? ... or what is unique to Wicca about the love and peace with nature that you find lacking in Christianity's claim that God is the creator of all living things etc...?

Most believe in 2 Gods or more, but some only one. Myself, Christ is God.

I guess I don't understand where the "Wiccan" part comes in... but maybe your answer to my previous question will help me understand.

Thanks again,
Scott

 

[jeffrey]

There isn't the 'you must believe in this' with Wicca. I can take parts of the Catholic beliefs and part of my own beliefs to find the path I feel I need to follow. I love the Catholic Bible. Easiest to read ever. I can believe in Christ and say I think the O.T. is not entirely correct, and not get questioned. More on this thought in a minute.

 

[jeffrey]

Look at Turk and Bex tonight. Can discuss different views without the questioning about how one's right and the other's wrong. Following your own path. Look at the bickering and pettiness that sometimes goes on in this forum, sometimes in the same faith. Except for 2 people that did not like the term CW, you won't find that. Respecting each other's path. Scott, you would make a great Wiccan.

 

[Scott1]

Respecting each other's path. Scott, you would make a great Wiccan.

Thanks, I guess... but "Catholicism is characterized by a radical openness to all truth and to every value".... I thought you knew.​

.... and I still can't figure out what a Wicca is... no one can provide an answer... BTW a person does not follow their "own path" by becoming Wiccan (or Catholic, or anything for that matter).... maybe Wiccan is more of a (vague) desription of certain spiritual traits as opposed to defining "membership" in a certain sect.

One more time:

The Wiccan part that I like is the love and peace with nature.

And this is absent in Christianity? ... or what is unique to Wicca about the love and peace with nature that you find lacking in Christianity's claim that God is the creator of all living things etc...?