Lightkeeper
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Will it happen or is it an inner process we go through?
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MT.24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light (darkness), and the stars shall fall from heaven (streaking points of light as if through a tunnel), and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken (turbulence):30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn (meeting Jesus and passed/ past loved ones) , and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (great light).
Here is what you are looking for, but take notice in the words "last trump" just how many last trumps will there be?fromthe heart said:I'm back...I could be wrong but it could be in the letters to the 7 churches where it says about how some will be kept from the hour of temptation which shall come upon all the world to try them. I think that's in Revelation.
I was an evangelical Lutheran Christian from birth until past 50, and I never heard of anything resembling Rapture or Tribulation. I probably assumed that Doomsday would come suddenly and in one go (but never gave the process much thought). I went on reading the linked webpage anyway. The least unkind thing I can say is that to me, the theory appears ridiculous as well as unfounded in the Bible. Anyway, the article added to my education, I saved a copy, and it might come in useful some day, "under some bizarre circumstances", to quote Tom Lehrer.Are you Pre, Mid, or Post? If you dont know how to answer that question, youre probably a Catholic. Most Fundamentalists and Evangelicals know that these words are shorthand for pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, and post-tribulation. The terms all refer to when the rapture is supposed to occur.
In reply to the OP, I am a conservative Christian from a Reformed and Presbyterian background who believes in a literal bodily rapture at Christ's literal bodily 2nd coming to Earth for his chosen people. A great number of conservative Presbyterians would consider themselves amillennial like a great number of Roman Catholics, considering these references in the Christian Scriptures to be fundamentally figurative and spiritual. I take a more literal and premil-posttrib position, which would mean Christ will literally and bodily return for his chosen ones after a period of unprecidented tribulation on the Earth. I believe the Church will have to go through this Tribulation, but will be protected and spared through it, much as the Children of Israel were in the Plagues of Egypt.Lightkeeper said:Will it happen or is it an inner process we go through?
Yes, you are correct, the scriptures i mentioned refer to another time period ,i was just making the point that it says god will decend, he didnt come down at that time but he directed his attention down,the same way that jesus will.fromthe heart said:o
May refered to 2 Sam.22:10 and Micah 1:3 in the same sense as 1 Thes.4:16...I disagree on this point because I view 2 Sam.22:10and Micah 1:3 as God's deliverence at the point of time in the Bible where they then were and Not the second coming. I thnk this was the deliverence of that time.
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I remember reading about that somewhere and all I could think of was... why would God kill all those innocent people with those driverless cars to start off something so beautiful as the coming of his Kingdom?:sarcasticretrorich said:I saw a car with a sign that read: "When the Rapture occurs, this car will be without a driver." (Or words to that effect.)
Jews and atheists, not innocent. :biglaugh:Ceridwen018 said:Isn't it supposed to be terrible and horrifying, not beautiful? Also, aren't those people supposed to be Jews and atheists, not innocent?