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Because they do.skip all that and explain why do you title actions of terrorists 'Islamic'?
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Because they do.skip all that and explain why do you title actions of terrorists 'Islamic'?
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Actually, Islam means submission. And actually, they sound violent because killing is violent.Islam means peace. Sure some of those words sound violent...this is because they are tranlated into a language with nearly 7,000 more words..english.
Non sequitor anyone?Christianity is a monotheistic religion but its origins are pagan....does that mean timothy mcveigh was a pagan bomber?
Please what?Please mate...please!
skip all that and explain why do you title actions of terrorists 'Islamic'?
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My view is that they are taking these verses to mean that it is their duty as Muslims to fight against the infidels and bring the Islamic Caliphate to reality in as much as the world as they can, with everyone in those lands either converting to Islam or submitting to its rule and paying tax to the Caliphate.
you and whoever thinks the same, you can believe whatever suits you. Islam and Muslims did not come to this reality a few years ago. we are never taught to hate people. but if that's what you want to believe, so be it. self defense is right of every human being and no Muslim should give up his right to exist as a Muslim and sit and watch his sister and mother being raped, kids were slaughtered, his nation being sold out, invaded, bombed, terrorized, his brother is being tortured, humiliated and get killed just to prove a bunch of ignorant and blinded people he is in fact a peaceful person
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While at one time Christianity was as militant, violent and terroristic as Islam is today, it is not any longer. It is interesting to ask why.
I think it's because of the influence of Enlightenment values, especially secularism. To put it simply, Christianity can no longer get away with it.
And, on the other hand, one of the big problems with Islam is that it did not undergo a historic Enlightenment, and does not have to function in a secular world.
Because they ARE?
And we have your holy book that says so.
And all you guys offer is excuses. Bad translation, not correctly understood, taught the wrong message, mistreated by bullies.
But not one of you - not a single one - has denied the clear intent of the words. Any way you read it any translation you get any common understanding in any language - the intent is clear pure and obvious. HATE. Hate for any and all who don't share your belief in your mythology.
We had one of your fellow believers posting here not so long ago who was honest enough to say so.
And what was the response from the rest of you?
Silence.
Because they ARE?
And we have your holy book that says so.
And all you guys offer is excuses. Bad translation, not correctly understood, taught the wrong message, mistreated by bullies.
But not one of you - not a single one - has denied the clear intent of the words. Any way you read it any translation you get any common understanding in any language - the intent is clear pure and obvious. HATE. Hate for any and all who don't share your belief in your mythology.
We had one of your fellow believers posting here not so long ago who was honest enough to say so.
And what was the response from the rest of you?
Silence.
"NOWHERE in the New Testament is the order given to actively hate or instigate physical war against our neighbors, while the Qu'ran is filled with references to do exactly that.
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Not true.
Deut 13:12-13
Deut 17:2-5
Deut 17:12
2 Chron 15:12-13
Sorry K but your favorite book of myths is as hateful of non-believers as the Koran. And that is not surprising. They both came from the same culture of ancient rivalry and war. Both are hymns to a god of war and aggression directed against the "others." There really is little substantive difference between them.
Those are all OLD TESTAMENT verses. I said that nowhere in the NEW TESTAMENT.
Since I started this I guess I should pipe in now and then
Plenty of hate and evil in the New Testament too
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(Matthew 15:4-7)
He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
(Luke 19:26-27)
"I say to you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. As for my enemies who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here and kill them in my presence"
(Matthew 10:34-35)
"Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"
(Mark 7:9-13)
'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.'
(Matt.5.43) You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.
(Luke.14.26) If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
yeah but why do you title it Islamic?
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i guess you won't be satisfied until you hear one of us say that the Qur'an teaches us to hate non-Muslims and wants us to kill them all.
Because the people who are doing it describe it that way. That's my point.
so their word is more trust worthy than ours? how come? is that because they say what you're willing to and expect to hear? how could you trust word of a guy who kills and tortures anyway?
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so their word is more trust worthy than ours? how come? is that because they say what you're willing to and expect to hear? how could you trust word of a guy who kills and tortures anyway?
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Be careful you don't break your arm patting yourself on your back.
But if you can break away from self-congratulatory celebrations for a minute look back at what you and the other defenders of this myth have posted.
WHERE in any of those posts - or on the "Islam will Dominate" thread - is there a single word denying that your myth tells you to dominate the world?
Cite it. I dare you.
Whatever you think you believe, whatever the "moderate" Muslims actually DO believe there is a stunning silence from your faithful fellow believers. VERY few of you in public at least, have uttered a single syllable of protest against these "radicals" who are so mis-representing your faith.
We will start taking your protests about US seriously when YOU start making some protests of your own about those 'not true Muslims' and their "mis-reading" of your mythology.
i haven't seen the "Islam will Dominate" thread (i'll check it out next)...but i have spoken out several times, as has Badran and .lava, against the radicals who are warping Qur'anic teachings to suit their needs. please run a search on my posts and you'll see how many times i have condemned their actions. until then, don't accuse those which you don't know.
the Muslims who speak out against the radicals aren't televised or covered; it doesn't make for sensational news stories.
i don't deny that Qur'anic teachings call for implementing Shariah; that would be lying. however, the methodology, timing, and execution of such has to be done at a certain time and place. that time and place IS NOT NOW, and those who think it is are delusional.
WOW! Talk about equivocation and denial.
And not a single cite. Just a "look it up" claim. Why am I not surprised?
I'll tell you the time and place for you Shariah Son. Never! And NOWHERE in any civilized society.:no::no::no:
WHERE in any of those posts - or on the "Islam will Dominate" thread - is there a single word denying that your myth tells you to dominate the world?
Cite it. I dare you.
no, Shariah law cannot be implemented around the world. no Muslim i know is claiming it should be. "extremists" don't count.
Nonsense, pure and simple. Sharia is implementing Islamic rules on ourselves, it shouldn't and wouldn't apply fully in the first place to non-muslims even in a majority populated muslim country. So how can we fight for its appliance on non-muslims, in a non-muslim country? How?
False. Allah says in the Quran that if he wills, he would make ALL people Muslims, but it's his will to test us. He also says in the Quran that he made us into different colors, tribes, etc so we may get to know each other, and learn from each other.