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Featured The Lord's Day, is it really Sunday?

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  1. 3rdAngel

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    Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?

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    MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

    Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY (MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

    God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

    There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

    Can you show from the scriptures alone that Sunday is "THE LORDS DAY" if not why not? If we cannot are we following man made teachings that break the commandments of God that JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9?

    May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.
     
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    Sunday was a day of worship of the Sun.

    Christianity is basically another Pagan religion that's been 'remastered'.
     
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    It is defineately not biblical that is for sure, although not all Christianity follows this man made teaching and tradition. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    The only problem I have with Sabbath is religious people insisting that everybody does it at the same time.

    Everybody should take a day off from work and responsibility on a regular basis. Every seventh day seems quite reasonable, for one day. Although two days every tenth seems better.

    Take some time to play with your kids. Hike the woods. Indulge a hobby.
    Don't work, take some time for yourself.

    Like Jesus said, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath". Jesus was such a rebel.

    And women should do it too. Whatever Jesus thought about that.
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    According to Gods' Word that Sabbath was made for mankind *Mark 2:27 and it was made for mankind on the "seventh day" of the week where God set apart the "seventh day" of the week from all the other days of the week and "blessed" the "seventh day" and made it a "Holy day" of rest as a memorial of creation *Genesis 2:1-3 and commands us to keep it as a Holy day of rest where no work is to be done as God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts columbus
     
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    When was the seventh day? Which day did God start creating?

    Our days of the week are named after Roman gods. :confused:

    Whatever day you want to clam as the 7th, it all seems pretty arbitrary.
     
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    Hi Nakosis, nice to meet you. In the HEBREW calanders and the TORAH it is not arbitary. The nomenculture for the weekly days was not like we have today. Their naming system was simply; day 1, day 2, day 3, day 4, day 5, day 6 (preparation before Sabbath) and Sabbath day (day 7) *Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. The JEWS have been keeping it unbroken for 6000 years. Jesus kept it *Luke 4:16, the Apostles kept it *Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10 and all of God's people have kept it all through time to this very present day have kept the Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment. Accoding to Gods time a day starts and ends from Sunset to Sunset *Genesis 1:5. So the Sabbath today in our equivallent time today is the seventh day of the week *Genesis 2:1-3 which is our Friday Sunset start time to Saturday sunset end time.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
     
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    Can you prove to me with the Bible that Saturday is the seventh day?
     
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    Do you have a calendar from 6000 years ago?
     
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    I'm not sure if this is just misplaced snark or genuine, but, uh, obviously women observe the Sabbath. The Sabbath started with the Jewish people and is commanded on all of them, regardless of sex.
     
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    Yes! See post # 7 above yours.
     
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    Yes the Torah or the bible.
     
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    This doesn't answer my question.
     
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    So you should be able to use the Bible to show which day of the week was the first. :)
     
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    Sure can...

    MATTHEW 28:1 In the end of the sabbath (seventh day - Genesis 2:1-3), as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.
     
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    Why do you think it does not answer your question? There is no Saturday and Sunday naming of the days of the week in the Torah or the bible. Only numbered days leading to the Sabbath which has been kept unbroken by the JEWS, JESUS and the Apostles and disciples to this very present day as shown in the scriptures in post # 7.
     
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    How do you know that the " Saturday " which we call the seventh day today is really the seventh day?
    Do you understand what I mean?
     
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    The Torah and bible shows it is. All you have to do is google when is the 7th day Sabbath. Ask any Chrstians which day is the first day of the week according to the scriptures. They will tell you it is Sunday or the first day of the week in honor of the Lords resurrection. Ask any Jew what day is the Sabbath day. They will tell you Friday sunset to Saturday sunset our equivallent time according to the scriptures.
     
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    Let's ask scripture:

    The "Lord's day" according to scripture:

    Genesis 2:1-3 - 'the seventh day', 'God'
    Exodus 16:3 - "to morrow [the seventh day] is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD'
    Exodus 16:25 - 'to day [the seventh day]; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day'
    Exodus 20:8-11 - 'the sabbath day', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God'
    Exodus 31:15 - 'the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD ... the sabbath day'
    Exodus 35:2 - 'the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD'
    Leviticus 23:3 - 'the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD'
    Deuteronomy 5:14 - 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God'
    Psalms 92:1 - 'A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD'
    Isaiah 56:6 - 'Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant' (context new covenant)
    Isaiah 58:13 - 'the sababth ... my [the LORD's] holy day ... the holy [day] of the Lord'
    Isaiah 66:23 - 'one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD'
    Jeremiah 17:21 - 'saith the LORD... on the sabbath day'
    Matthew 12:8 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day'
    Mark 2:28 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day'
    Luke 6:5 - 'the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day]'
    Revelation 1:10 - 'the Lord's day'​

    This was already covered: COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

    The term "Lord's day" was usurped by apostate Christians in Alexandria and at Rome, given another definition, not one found based in scripture:

    The church which Jesus 'established' never kept the 'first [day] of the week' as Sabbath, and in fact, as already shown, every single 'first [day] of the week' text in the NT, demonstrates the perpetuity of the 7th day as the Sabbath, since the first [day] was simply a number pointing to that glorious culmination (see the koine Greek as I already cited - COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth? ). It also didn't meet every first [day] of the week either.
     
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    No. First of all, the Sabbath begins with "God", JEHOVAH Elohiym, in Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11, as it is His Holy Day, His rest. It was given to Adam, as per Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, so also Mark 2:27-28 (for NT believers). Moses was "Hebrew", of "Levi". Zipporah, wasn't a "Jew", neither the "mixed multitude" that came out of Egypt with the Israelites. There is not a single scripture in OT or NT that states that the sabbath is just for "Jews", or "started wit the Jewish people", not one. It is a myth. Moses was a "sabbath reformer", since in the bondage of Egypt, they had forgotten the sabbath, and so God sends Moses back to reform, in Exodus 5, and we see more reform in Exodus 12-16, before anyone ever reaches Mt. Sinai, Exodus 19-20.

    The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the Old Testament (Genesis to Malachi)

    Genesis 2:1-3; (see also, Genesis 18:19, 26:5, &c.)

    The sabbath commandment in the beginning with God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Psalms 119:142).
    The sabbath commandment with Adam (Mark 2:27; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14).
    The sabbath commandment with Enoch (Genesis 5:22,24; Hebrews 11:5; Isaiah 58:13)
    The sabbath commandment with Noah (Genesis 6:9; 2 Peter 2:5; Psalms 119:172).
    The sabbath commandment with Eber (Genesis 10:21,24-25; Exodus 3:18, 5:3, 7:16).
    The sabbath commandment with Abraham (Genesis 17:9, 18:19, 26:5; 2 Chronicles 20:7; Isaiah 41:8; James 2:23; John 15:14).
    The sabbath commandment with Isaac (Genesis 17:9, 18:19, 26:5).
    The sabbath commandment with Jacob/Israel (Genesis 17:9, 18:19, 26:5, 32:28).
    The sabbath commandment with Moses (Exodus 5:4-5;, 16:1-36, 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15, 31:12-18). ...
    The sabbath commandment with Jesus (Luke 4:16-19).
    The sabbath commandment with the Apostles/Disciples (Acts 1:2, (4:24), 13:14,27,42,44, (14:15), 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4; Hebrews 3:11,18, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11; Revelation 1:10, 10:6, 12:17, 14:6-7)
    The sabbath commandment with us today (Hebrews 4:9; Revelation 12:17, 14:6-7; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6,8-11).
    The sabbath commandment on into eternity (Isaiah 66:23).​

    Exodus 5:4-5,8-9, 16:23-30, 20:8-11, 23:12, 31:12-18, 34:21, 35:1-3
    Leviticus 19:3,30, 23:3,11,15-16,38, 24:8, 26:2
    Numbers 15:32, 28:9
    Deuteronomy 5:12-15
    2 Kings 4:23, 11:5,7,9, 16:18
    1 Chronicles 9:32, 23:31
    2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 23:4,8, 31:3
    Nehemiah 9:6,14, 10:31,33, 13:15-22
    Psalms 92:1, 146:6
    Isaiah 56:2,4,6, 58:13, 66:23
    Jeremiah 17:21-27
    Ezekiel 20:12-24, 22:8,26, 23:38, 44:24, 46:1,3-4,12
    Amos 8:5​

    The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the New Testament:

    Matthew 12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;
    Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;
    Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;
    John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 12:1 (calculated), 19:31;
    Acts 1:2, 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;​

    Additional references are:

    John 12:1 (six days before the Passover, Jesus was at Lazarus' house, on Sabbath)
    Hebrews 3:11, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11; [Hebrews 4:9 "rest" Greek: sabbatismos, literal sabbath-keeping]
    Revelation 1:10 [kuriake hemera, "the Lord's Day" [the 7th Day Sabbath, not "the Day of the Lord", this is totally different in the Greek], see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12:15, Isaiah 58:13, 66:23, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:27,28; Luke 6:5 ], Revelation 10:6 [see also Exodus 20:11, 31:17; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalms 146:6; Acts 4:24, 14:15, Revelation 14:7]; Revelation 14:7 [see previous], etc​

    Additionally, further references in the Greek are [every single 'first [day] of the week' text, as each text clearly shows that the first day is simply a number, with no special association or designation, other than it is simply one day toward the culmination of the week, being the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God]:

    Genesis 1:5 (Masoretes Hebrew) יום אחד׃ (Transliterated) yôm echäd f
    Matthew 28:1(a) - (Koine Greek) οψε δε σαββατων (Transliterated) oye de sabbatwn
    Matthew 28:1(b) - (Koine Greek) εις μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) eiV mian sabbatwn
    Mark 16:2 - (Koine Greek) και λιαν πρωι της μιας σαββατων (Transliterated) kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn
    Mark 16:9 - (Koine Greek) αναστας δε πρωι πρωτη σαββατου (Transliterated) anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou
    Luke 24:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn
    John 20:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn
    John 20:19 - (Koine Greek) τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th mia twn sabbatwn
    Acts 20:7 - (Koine Greek) εν δε τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) en de th mia twn sabbatwn
    1 Corinthians 16:2 - (Koine Greek) κατα μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) kata mian sabbatwn​

    That the Sabbath [of the Lord thy God], [being] the 7th day, is always the culmination of the week in God's Created order and is always referred to as such in all of scripture.

    Therefore, every single “first [day] of the week” text upholds the 7th Day Sabbath, and is undeniable evidence of its continued existence and prominence.

    The body of believers may gather on any and every day with no injunction anywhere found in scripture against such, and in truth they met "daily", "continually", etc (Mat 26:55; Mar 14:49; Luk 22:53, 24:33,36; Acts 19:9) and likewise among the followers of Jesus Christ (Luk 24:51,53; Acts 1:3,9, 2:46-47, 5:42, 6:1, 16:5, 17:11,17; Heb 3:13, etc).
     
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