The Looming Problem Of The Unemployable

[Revoltingest]

This article....
Report: Robots Will Take Over More Jobs Than They Create « CBS Charlotte
...reminded me of the thought that we're embarking on a different age, one in which new
technology removes jobs instead of creating them. Unlike the erroneous Luddite predictions,
computer technology is different.
How do we deal with people who lack the intellectual prowess to do jobs which robots cannot?
Do we create make-work-programs for them?
Do we just let the social safety net support them?
Or is my premise faulty?

 

[Revoltingest]

Bump for some news.....
The 35.4 Percent: 109,631,000 on Welfare | CNS News

 

[Phil25]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
This is a great video albeit pessimistic that shows how in future, Robots and Computers could take over Jobs and hence "Humans need not Apply"

 

[Revoltingest]

Any thoughts on how to best deal with a permanently unemployed class?
I'm still pondering it meself.
Some thoughts:
- Working to support oneself is good for people.
- Meaningless make-work projects are undesirable.
- The Amish address the problem effectively.

 

[Phil25]

Any thoughts on how to best deal with a permanently unemployed class?
I'm still pondering it meself.
Some thoughts:
- Working to support oneself is good for people.
- Meaningless make-work projects are undesirable.
- The Amish address the problem effectively.

It depends on how much percentage of the population will become unemployed.
But what do you will happen to Capitalism if Robots take over Jobs?
Could we make them our slaves?(Well they already are, but still...)
Will there be Robot Rights Campaign?

 

[Revoltingest]

It depends on how much percentage of the population will become unemployed.
But what do you will happen to Capitalism if Robots take over Jobs?

I wonder what happens when they become smarter, better educated & more socially acceptable than I am.
I calculate that this will happen in 27 years.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I wonder what happens when they become smarter, better educated & more socially acceptable than I am.
I calculate that this will happen in 27 years.

To be fair, they've already surpassed you in at least one of those ways.

 

[Revoltingest]

To be fair, they've already surpassed you in at least one of those ways.

I'll feel threatened when they have the total package.
Then, you're next.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I'll feel threatened when they have the total package.
Then, you're next.

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that you haven't already figured out that I am a robot.

 

[Iti oj]

It depends on how much percentage of the population will become unemployed.
But what do you will happen to Capitalism if Robots take over Jobs?
Could we make them our slaves?(Well they already are, but still...)
Will there be Robot Rights Campaign?

Yes I will fight for robot rights.
Sorry for the Dir incursion. But yes people will fight for robot rights. At least ai robot rights.

 

[Revoltingest]

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that you haven't already figured out that I am a robot.

Well, that would explain why the RF microwave goes bonkers when you walk past.

 

[Aquitaine]

This article....
Report: Robots Will Take Over More Jobs Than They Create « CBS Charlotte
...reminded me of the thought that we're embarking on a different age, one in which new
technology removes jobs instead of creating them. Unlike the erroneous Luddite predictions,
computer technology is different.
How do we deal with people who lack the intellectual prowess to do jobs which robots cannot?
Do we create make-work-programs for them?
Do we just let the social safety net support them?
Or is my premise faulty?

I would be very interested to see how this aligns with your Libertarian stance - after all aren't you for the abolishion of "The Welfare State"?

 

[Revoltingest]

I would be very interested to see how this aligns with your Libertarian stance - after all aren't you for the abolishion of "The Welfare State"?

It's tricky. I'm still a ponder'n it.
"Libertarianism" is my agenda, but I see that extreme interpretations would be impossible to implement. The question then becomes how to maximize it in a viable economic & political system. I'm comfortable just trying to influence the system in a libertarian direction to the extent possible.

 

[Aquitaine]

It's tricky. I'm still a ponder'n it.
"Libertarianism" is my agenda, but I see that extreme interpretations would be impossible to implement. The question then becomes how to maximize it in a viable economic & political system. I'm comfortable just trying to influence the system in a libertarian direction to the extent possible.

This reminds me of when Reverend Rick said that "The Welfare State" would probably be needed in a similar thread ages ago. It's interesting to see Libertarians talk like this - I guess that's just down to the unique issues we'll face in the coming decades.

Still, very interesting to see you ponder what are almost conflicting views - but hey I guess it's a case of "Needs must".

 

[Revoltingest]

This reminds me of when Reverend Rick said that "The Welfare State" would probably be needed in a similar thread ages ago. It's interesting to see Libertarians talk like this - I guess that's just down to the unique issues we'll face in the coming decades.
Still, very interesting to see you ponder what are almost conflicting views - but hey I guess it's a case of "Needs must".

I don't represent any other libertarians.
Tis not that the welfare state is moral....just inevitable.
So...what is the most libertarian way to have a welfare state?
This is how I view public policy.

 

[Aquitaine]

I don't represent any other libertarians.
Tis not that the welfare state is moral....just inevitable.
So...what is the most libertarian way to have a welfare state?
This is how I view public policy.

Wouldn't the most Libertarian way to have a welfare state be..... no welfare state?

 

[Revoltingest]

Wouldn't the most Libertarian way to have a welfare state be..... no welfare state?

It would.
Think that is even remotely politically possible?

 

[Aquitaine]

It would.
Think that is even remotely politically possible?

What would you say is the most Libertarian yet politically possible Welfare system?

 

[Revoltingest]

What would you say is the most Libertarian yet politically possible Welfare system?

That would be hard to say, since it would depend upon what compromise is available.
But I The Cato Institute made a revenue neutral proposal some years ago which I liked....
- Income tax is reduced to a flat rate of 17%.
- Every citizen gets $10,000/year
The above system eliminates many social programs.
Everyone, including the poor, purchase/rent their own housing, food, etc.
Thus, everyone is provided for, but the bureaucracy is minimal.

 

[Aquitaine]

That would be hard to say, since it would depend upon what compromise is available.
But I The Cato Institute made a revenue neutral proposal some years ago which I liked....
- Income tax is reduced to a flat rate of 17%.
- Every citizen gets $10,000/year
The above system eliminates many social programs.
Everyone, including the poor, purchase/rent their own housing, food, etc.
Thus, everyone is provided for, but the bureaucracy is minimal.

So essentially the Basic Income model?