The Left now says there's no such thing as a "woman"

[Revoltingest]

Uh oh ... maybe I'm not a woman after all, I I do not have such skills.

It's all about a preponderance of evidence. It doesn't
all depend upon any single characteristic. So if you
can't load the dishwasher properly, it just means that
you share a flaw with us knuckle walking guys.

 

[Revoltingest]

Who is this "Left" people keep talking about, and where is he (or she) saying all these things that get people on here so up in arms?

Get one of these.
(It needn't be this fancy though.)

 

[Kooky]

Get one of these.
(It needn't be this fancy though.)

My name isn't Left, and I've never said any of the things claimed in the OP.

So what are you implying? That I need to shave more often?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It used to be classified as a mental illness in medicine.

Some think it was declassified due to political pressures.

So was homosexuality, and homophobes make similar arguments.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I regard hemophridites as a natural and legitimate third sex.

Human hermaphrodites don't exist (that we know of). Biologically a hermaphrodite can reproduce both with sperm and egg, so far no humans have done so. People with ambiguous, both or neither genitals, or chromosomal structures outside the norm are called intersex. As they are elsewhere on the spectrum of sex than typical presentation. (Gender is also a spectrum and there are people who fall outside the usual binaries.)
Trans can also be intersex.

 

[Revoltingest]

Human hermaphrodites don't exist (that we know of). Biologically a hermaphrodite can reproduce both with sperm and egg, so far no humans have done so. People with ambiguous, both or neither genitals, or chromosomal structures outside the norm are called intersex. As they are elsewhere on the spectrum of sex than typical presentation. (Gender is also a spectrum and there are people who fall outside the usual binaries.)
Trans can also be intersex.

True hermaphroditism - Wikipedia
Excerpted...
Documented cases of fertility[edit]
There are extremely rare cases of fertility in "truly hermaphroditic" humans.[16][17]

In 1994 a study on 283 cases found 21 pregnancies from 10 true hermaphrodites, while one allegedly fathered a child.[16]

As of 2010, there have been at least 11 reported cases of fertility in true hermaphrodite humans in the scientific literature,[4] with one case of a person with XY-predominant (96%) mosaic giving birth.[18] However, there have been no documented cases of individuals being fertile as males.[6][13]

 

[Twilight Hue]

So was homosexuality, and homophobes make similar arguments.

It has an interesting history.

The decision to remove homosexuality from the DSM: twenty years later - PubMed

 

[ADigitalArtist]

True hermaphroditism - Wikipedia
Excerpted...
Documented cases of fertility[edit]
There are extremely rare cases of fertility in "truly hermaphroditic" humans.[16][17]

In 1994 a study on 283 cases found 21 pregnancies from 10 true hermaphrodites, while one allegedly fathered a child.[16]

As of 2010, there have been at least 11 reported cases of fertility in true hermaphrodite humans in the scientific literature,[4] with one case of a person with XY-predominant (96%) mosaic giving birth.[18] However, there have been no documented cases of individuals being fertile as males.[6][13]

Fertility isnt the issue, not all intersex are sterile. Its being able to reproduce with *both* sperm and eggs. So far that has not happened, which is why the term 'hermaphrodite' has been dropped in humans.

In recent years the term hermaphrodite has been falling out of fashion since there are no documented case of a human functioning as both male and female.[20]

(Same wiki article)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It used to be classified as a mental illness in medicine.

Some think it was declassified due to political pressures.

You aren't good at keeping up with stuff or researching things, are you?
Gender dysphoria is still listed in the DSM-V.

 

[Revoltingest]

Fertility isnt the issue, not all intersex are sterile. Its being able to reproduce with *both* sperm and eggs. So far that has not happened, which is why the term 'hermaphrodite' has been dropped in humans.

(Same wiki article)

I see it as more complex than your claim.
And as we've seen with such matters, understandings
increase over time. Moreover....
"As of 2010, there have been at least 11 reported cases of fertility
in true hermaphrodite humans in the scientific literature,[4] with one
case of a person with XY-predominant (96%) mosaic giving birth."

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I see it as more complex than your claim.
And as we've seen with such matters, understandings
increase over time. Moreover....
"As of 2010, there have been at least 11 reported cases of fertility
in true hermaphrodite humans in the scientific literature,[4] with one
case of a person with XY-predominant (96%) mosaic giving birth."

It's not my claim. Your own article says there's been no confirmed case.

All that quote is talking about is people with conditions that usually make them sterile not being sterile, not being able to reproduce through both sperm and egg, a prerequisite of hermaphrodites in biology.

It's also just considered a stigmatized term towards intersex people, since intersex isn't a hermaphroditic condition. If you'd like to know more about it, here's a link talking about it:

Getting Rid of Hermaphroditism Once and For All | Intersex Society of North America
Is a person who is intersex a hermaphrodite? | Intersex Society of North America

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I see it as more complex than your claim.
And as we've seen with such matters, understandings
increase over time. Moreover....
"As of 2010, there have been at least 11 reported cases of fertility
in true hermaphrodite humans in the scientific literature,[4] with one
case of a person with XY-predominant (96%) mosaic giving birth."

A hermaphrodite has to function as both male and female. That hasn't been observed in humans, thus the medical and science communities have ditched the term amd replaced it with intersex.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You aren't good at keeping up with stuff or researching things, are you?
Gender dysphoria is still listed in the DSM-V.

It's irrelevant for my earlier reply.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not my claim. Your own article says there's been no confirmed case.

A hermaphrodite has to function as both male and female. That hasn't been observed in humans, thus the medical and science communities have ditched the term amd replaced it with intersex.

I even quoted portions of cases, rare though they be.
This is an argument about arcane points of definitions.
Yours is not the only one.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I even quoted portions of cases, rare though they be.
This is an argument about arcane points of definitions.
Yours is not the only one.

And DigitalArtist quoted from the same article that says it's not used anymore. It's not. Worms are hermaphrodites. Humans aren't. They didn't reproduce with their own egg and sperm. That's why we don't call people hermaphrodites anymore.

 

[Revoltingest]

And DigitalArtist quoted from the same article that says it's not used anymore. It's not. Worms are hermaphrodites. Humans aren't. They didn't reproduce with their own egg and sperm. That's why we don't call people hermaphrodites anymore.

The article does point out their existence.
The fact that the term has become un-PC doesn't change this.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The article does point out their existence.
The fact that the term has become un-PC doesn't change this.

It's not unPC it's staying current with science and medicine.
Here is more from the Wiki article you posted:

The gonad most likely to function is the ovary.[13] The ovotestes show evidence of ovulation in 50% of cases.[14] Spermatogenesis has only been observed in solitary testes and not in the testicular portions of ovotestes.[15][14] According to a 1994 study, spermatogenesis has only been proven in two cases.[16]

Spermatogenesis is never present in cases with XX.[13]

There is a hypothetical scenario, though, in which it could be possible for a human to self-fertilize. If a human chimera is formed from a male and female zygote fusing into a single embryo, giving an individual functional gonadal tissue of both types, such self-fertilization is feasible. Indeed, it is known to occur in non-human species where hermaphroditic animals are common.[19] However, no such case of functional self-fertilization or true bisexuality has ever been documented in humans.[15][10]

In recent years the term hermaphrodite has been falling out of fashion since there are no documented case of a human functioning as both male and female.[20]

No cases of a human functioning as both male and female. That is why medicine and science are leaving the term behind.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not unPC it's staying current with science and medicine.
Here is more from the Wiki article you posted:

No cases of a human functioning as both male and female. That is why medicine and science are leaving the term behind.

"As of 2010, there have been at least 11 reported cases of fertility
in true hermaphrodite humans in the scientific literature,[4] with one
case of a person with XY-predominant (96%) mosaic giving birth."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"As of 2010, there have been at least 11 reported cases of fertility
in true hermaphrodite humans in the scientific literature,[4] with one
case of a person with XY-predominant (96%) mosaic giving birth."

They didn't function as both male and female. Those cases involved one or the other. That's the point. Read down just a little bit bellow that and it clarifies that. Humans just don't function as both.
From the same article,

The gonad most likely to function is the ovary.[13] The ovotestes show evidence of ovulation in 50% of cases.[14] Spermatogenesis has only been observed in solitary testes and not in the testicular portions of ovotestes.[15][14] According to a 1994 study, spermatogenesis has only been proven in two cases.[16]

Spermatogenesis is never present in cases with XX.[13]

As of 2010, there have been at least 11 reported cases of fertility in true hermaphrodite humans in the scientific literature,[4] with one case of a person with XY-predominant (96%) mosaic giving birth.[18] However, there have been no documented cases of individuals being fertile as males.[6][13]

Notice, the same paragraph that you quoted finishes with "there have been no documented cases of individuals being fertile as males." That is why humans aren't called hermaphrodites anymore. The ovary is the functioning gonad and being fertile as male has not been documented.

 

[Revoltingest]

They didn't function as both male and female. Those cases involved one or the other. That's the point. Read down just a little bit bellow that and it clarifies that. Humans just don't function as both.
From the same article,

Notice, the same paragraph that you quoted finishes with "there have been no documented cases of individuals being fertile as males." That is why humans aren't called hermaphrodites anymore. The ovary is the functioning gonad and being fertile as male has not been documented.

Read the underlined text.