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Featured The golden gate Jerusalem aka east gate.

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  1. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    I remember from my schooldays back in antiquity the history of the golden gate in Jerusalem,closed by Muslims then opened by Christian’s then closed again by sulieman the great,what’s that all about?,symbolic?,the abramic god and messiahs are supposed to pass through it why bother blocking it?.
     
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    I forgot to mention the “scapegoat” that carries the sins of the Jews of that time and the origin of the word,two goats,one sacrificed and one as the scapegoat.

    So the abrahmic god,the Jewish messiah,Jesus the second time and maybe the Mahdi to,I know Hamas are keen on that,this gate is all about the end times,apart from the goat the above are supernatural so stones wouldn’t work:-/ .
     
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    England my lionheart From what I know.. The Jewish Messiah is to enter by the East Gate... So the Muslims have blocked it up. Also the Jew is NOT to walk on a grave so they put a graveyard in front of the east gate!
     
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    I read that too,seems a bit desperate but I think a waste of time as the actual gate is buried beneath the one we see today.
     
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    England my lionheart I hope all is well..
    God can enter through any Gate he wants! When the Messiah comes again he will come with power and might!
     
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    Jews are allowed to walk on a grave unless the Jew is of the priestly caste, which the messiah is not.
     
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    5 In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him,

    “You are my Son;
    today I have become your Father.”
    6 And he says in another place,
    You are a priest forever,
    in the order of Melchizedek
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    rosends David was a Priest!
    1 Chronicles 17:12 He is the one who will build a house for me, and I will establish his throne forever. 13 I will be his father, and he will be my son. I will never take my love away from him, as I took it away from your predecessor. 14 I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever.’”
     
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    David was from the tribe of Judah. The priests who were forbidden to have contact with the dead were from the tribe of Levi. The biblical texts indicate that, metaphorically, David, is called God's son, the entire nation of Israel is called God's son (Ex 4:22), King Solomon was called God's son (I chron 22:9-10) and angels are called sons of God (Job 1:6). If a statement is made relating to Jewish law, it is bound by the strictures of Jewish law, not non-Jewish interpretation.
     
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    Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

    Elizabeth is a Jew her Husband is a High Priest; She is saying "Mary is the Mother of her God!"
     
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    Ah, so to make a point about Jewsh law you choose to cite a text that has no validity in Judaism. Got it. And even then, the supposed wife of a "high priest" making a comment that another woman is somehow pregnant with a god does not change anything in Jewish law regarding the priesthood and tribal lineage.
     
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    rosends Thank you for the informative info; I am Christian; we believe Jesus is the Messiah the Jews have been hoping for!
    Matthew 1:1
    The Genealogy of Jesus the Messiah
    This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

    Our Scriptures do not conflict with the Jewish five books of Moses! They complement them!

    Matthew 16:16
    Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

    Mark 1:1
    John the Baptist Prepares the Way
    The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God,
    Luke 20
    41 Then Jesus said to them, “Why is it said that the Messiah is the son of David?
    42 David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:
    “‘The Lord said to my Lord:
    “Sit at my right hand
    43 until I make your enemies
    a footstool for your feet.”’
    44 David calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?


    Luke 24:46
    He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,

    John 7:42
    Does not Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David’s descendants and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?

    Jesus is a High Priest!
    Genesis 14:18
    Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High,
    Psalm 110:4
    The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”
    Hebrews 6:20
    where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
     
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    Hi there. I am a Jew and we believe that Jesus was a false messiah that Christians have been fooled by. Our scriptures are frequently misunderstood by others who want to see them in concert with external writings.
     
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    rosends Thank you for your reply...
    I must say...If Christians have been fooled; it is a grand hoax! There is not anything that is misplaced in the grand scheme, the strategy used to mislead the Christians is very very complex! Using Tradition the Jewish Scriptures and the Scriptures of the New and having it all fitting perfectly together!

    rosends Jesus offers me "Eternal Life"! How great is my God!

    I believe this... (below scripture) Most Christians are sympathetic to the Jews!
    Romans 11:11
    Ingrafted Branches
    Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.

    Romans 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”

    Romans 11:24
    After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

    I am taught "Jesus is the New Passover Lamb" what I must now do is "Eat the New Pascal Sacrifice"!
    Hebrews 9:19
    When Moses had proclaimed every command of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people.
    John 19:29
    A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips.
     
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    I'm not sure how you mean "grand" but it is also predicated on a belief that an entire other religion doesn't understand its own scriptures so it is a hoax built on a lie.
    Not really -- sleight of hand, exploiting ignorance and providing instant gratification -- the same method that has been used to fool people throughout time.
    The fact that you think that is just a nice demonstration of my claim. Thank you. Now, to "prove" your claim, you will quote the self-serving texts which only have value once you believe that claim. And to believe that Jews are "envious"? That's just really, really funny.

    And you then go and eat your god? Weird flex, but OK.
     
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    rosends I hope all is well.... First .. I don't write the scriptures I post them! Most of over (60) Sixty interpretations use the word "jealous" these are the few I have found that do not!
    ASV
    I say then, Did they stumble that they might fall? God forbid: but by their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, to provoke them to jealousy.
    DRA
    I say then, have they so stumbled, that they should fall? God forbid. But by their offence, salvation is come to the Gentiles, that they may be emulous of them.
    GNV
    I demand then, Have they stumbled, that they should fall? God forbid: but through their fall, salvation cometh unto the Gentiles, to provoke them to follow them.
    NMB
    I say then, have they therefore stumbled, only but to fall? God forbid. But through their fall, salvation has come to the Gentiles, to rally them at the same time.
    WYC
    Therefore I say, Whether they offended so, that they should fall down? God forbid [Far be it]. But by the guilt of them health is made to heathen men, that they follow them.

    Second point.... If Christians have been duped or tricked by the evil one how come... Satan would teach Jesus died for us? Or that God loves us? Or that I will have eternal life; Satan is the author of death! Why would Satan teach "Love neighbor"? Why would Satan teach "Jesus is the second Adam"; That "Jesus is God", That the Church is Holy? That the Church has all the authority of God to teach all nations! Or that "the Jews are God' ADOPTED Children!"? etc... NO...

    rosends
    no Satan cannot teach all of these things they are all good! Satan is the father of lies, he HATES you, he hates All Men! He could not bring Hope of eternal life Faith and Love to man!
    Clearly the many truths Christians believe MUST come from God!
     
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    I'm not saying you wrote them, only that their claim is laughable. The fact that a bunch of translations use "jealous" just points to that as being the intention of the original text, so the source material is the source of being ridiculous.
    Who mentioned an "evil one"? You have been duped by men, men who look to control you. And you let them because you find the message palatable. It seems to me sort of like people's thinking that reality shows are real. Your idea of "Satan" is completely alien to me so it isn't something I would be invoking.
     
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    The Gate opened in the East as the Gate was Elijah, as Elijah always comes first. I see that was the Bab (translates Gate) who declared in 1844. The 'Glory of God' (translates Baha’u’llah) came via that Gate from the East.

    It is all about our frames of references and our acceptance of One G_d.

    Regards Tony
     
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    The east gate has been sealed since 1541 and not even the original gate which is buried beneath it so it begs the question can it be entered?.
     
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    So one can consider that if they are waiting for material fulfillment of prophecy for an event that awakens the spiritual capacity of all humanity, then one may have to consider will they still be waiting like people that still wait for a Messiah?

    Ezekiel 43
    1 Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east:

    2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.

    3 And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face.

    4 And the glory of the Lord came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.

    Baha'u'llah translation into English is "The glory of God" or "glory of the Lord"

    Bab translation into English is "Gate"

    Baha'u'llah came via the Gate from the East. Elijah always comes first, in this case Elijah was the Bab, the Gate.

    If we are looking for a material temple to be built of stone, then it is most likely we may miss what this passage is offering from Baha'u'llah.

    "...Thus have We built the Temple with the hands of power and might, could ye but know it. This is the Temple promised unto you in the Book. Draw ye nigh unto it. This is that which profiteth you, could ye but comprehend it. Be fair, O peoples of the earth! Which is preferable, this, or a temple which is built of clay? Set your faces towards it. Thus have ye been commanded by God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Follow ye His bidding, and praise ye God, your Lord, for that which He hath bestowed upon you. He, verily, is the Truth. No God is there but He. He revealeth what He pleaseth, through His words “Be and it is”.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Here’s the interesting part in all of it,the messiah in Judaism will come from the mount of olives and enter through the golden gate aka as the east gate which is buried below the present gate.

    The messianic age cannot happen until the third temple is built and as it stands the disputed area where the dome of the rock is where it should be to most but archaeologists disagree,the Ḥaram al-Sharīf plaza the mosques stand on was a Roman fortress and a perfect size for such to hold a legion of 6000 me and 4000 support staff.

    The other interesting and controversial issue is the west wall where Jewish people pray is actually the wall of the fortress,Roman artefacts have been found under the lowest blocks of the wall.

    If all the above is true and the site of the third temple is actually to the south of the fort it would have major implications for peace as the dome of the rock ceases to be disputed over,wouldn’t that be great but unlikely.
     
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