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The evolving human consciousness

Some time ago in this thread, i did mention my writings would be of a original nature. Here' something for you Indigo Child.
This news report could mean something ( news of importance perhaps ) or again something of 'no importance, having no meaning at all.
Its the Date that this item appears. Take a look again at post #113, ....The highlighted numerical glyph's may suggest a * 'historical person' who lived in the ancient past. I myself am not a romantic who dwells in 're incarnation' and would state 'the obvious or not too obvious to some'. I personally over recent years have been through a 'abstract, conceptual, transitional phase' that only exists in 'my own temple', and this theoretical transitional phase is still being processed as time progresses.
* 'i am not making reference to the return of the expected Christ'
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Some time ago in this thread, i did mention my writings would be of a original nature. Here' something for you Indigo Child.
This news report could mean something ( news of importance perhaps ) or again something of 'no importance, having no meaning at all.
Its the Date that this item appears. Take a look again at post #113, ....The highlighted numerical glyph's may suggest a historical person who lived in the ancient past. I myself am not a romantic who dwells in 're incarnation' and would state the obvious to some. I personally over recent years have been through a 'abstract, conceptual, transitional phase' that only exists in 'my own temple', and this theoretical transitional phase is still being processed as time progresses.
Reference failed. Will look at post #113.
 
If there is a universal source ‘consciousness’ that monitors human development & helps humanity in the progression of various subjects, for example ‘science, religion & languages’ there must have been a pathway of evolving tools that have been developed and are ‘in use already, readily available, cost effective & is used globally’

That tool must be the written & spoken language that I am using now. i will give you an example.

If you take the word ‘earth’ & wrapped it around our planet, joined the letters ‘h’ & ‘e. we would spell the word ‘heart’.

Again if we take the word ‘heart’ & break it down into 2 components, the word ‘he’ meaning ‘a male (or in reference to a male) & the word ‘art’ meaning in its most basic interpretation ‘someone who specializes in any given field’ in this case ‘creativity or creation’ bearing in mind I am still using the original word ‘earth’.

I can’t help but identify with a male presence ‘for example a creative heavenly father’

This is merely my observation. Your thoughts are very welcome
Evolution cannot explain consciousness. No evolutionary biologist or paleontologist could give you an answer on where consciousness came from the same way how they cannot tell you how two opposite sexes came about. It's most likely from God though which makes plenty of sense.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Evolution cannot explain consciousness. No evolutionary biologist or paleontologist could give you an answer on where consciousness came from the same way how they cannot tell you how two opposite sexes came about. It's most likely from God though which makes plenty of sense.
First off, none such in any way invalidates /
disproves ToE.

Second, anyone who has taken even an intro to
biology class (at least in Hong Kong where student
achievement ranks with highest in theworld, unlike
USA) understands that exchange of genetic material
takes place among single cell organisms.

And the steps to sexual dimorphism are laid out
in living organisms.

If you want to disprove ToE, or the,practice of
medicine as being valid, pointing to unexplored areas
isn't going to do it.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Evolution cannot explain consciousness.
The science of evolution explains consciousness very well since it is an evolved property of ALL animals with a complex nervous system
No evolutionary biologist or paleontologist could give you an answer on where consciousness came from the same way how they cannot tell you how two opposite sexes came about. It's most likely from God though which makes plenty of sense.
Yes they can. Consciousness arose with the complex nervous system. The progressive evolution of consciousness can be observed.

Your profound intentional gof science is boring.
 
The science of evolution explains consciousness very well since it is an evolved property of ALL animals with a complex nervous system

Yes they can. Consciousness arose with the complex nervous system. The progressive evolution of consciousness can be observed.

Your profound intentional gof science is boring.
Really? I haven't heard of a single biologist make such a claim and I know a few personally. Consciousness is not a physical and tangible thing that you can observe inside your brain and see how it works. If you think that evolution can explain consciousness then you're no better off believing in astrology in that case. Next.
 
First off, none such in any way invalidates /
disproves ToE.

Second, anyone who has taken even an intro to
biology class (at least in Hong Kong where student
achievement ranks with highest in theworld, unlike
USA) understands that exchange of genetic material
takes place among single cell organisms.

And the steps to sexual dimorphism are laid out
in living organisms.

If you want to disprove ToE, or the,practice of
medicine as being valid, pointing to unexplored areas
isn't going to do it.
First off, none such in any way invalidates /
disproves ToE.

Second, anyone who has taken even an intro to
biology class (at least in Hong Kong where student
achievement ranks with highest in theworld, unlike
USA) understands that exchange of genetic material
takes place among single cell organisms.

And the steps to sexual dimorphism are laid out
in living organisms.

If you want to disprove ToE, or the,practice of
medicine as being valid, pointing to unexplored areas
isn't going to do it.
I should reiterate that evolution cannot explain how two different genders originated in the first place. My statement has nothing to do with challenging the evolutionist's view of the way they understand the two genders. Though, they just can't explain how the two originated to begin with.
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
I should reiterate that evolution cannot explain how two different genders originated in the first place. My statement has nothing to do with challenging the evolutionist's view of the way they understand the two genders. Though, they just can't explain how the two originated to begin with.
II except it's simply not so.

I refer you to intro to biology.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Really? I haven't heard of a single biologist make such a claim and I know a few personally. Consciousness is not a physical and tangible thing that you can observe inside your brain and see how it works. If you think that evolution can explain consciousness then you're no better off believing in astrology in that case. Next.
You have stomewalled with intentional ignorance of science there is a great deal of research on the relationship of consciousness and the brain. You simply do not look.


Consciousness and the Brain: Deciphering How the Brain Codes our Thoughts​

Reviewed by James W. Kalat
By Stanislas Dehaene 2014. Viking Penguin. 333 pages
Author information Article notes Copyright and License information PMC Disclaimer

The editors of Science asked young scientists, “What recent discovery in your field will still be remembered 200 years from now? Why?” The best replies (“NextGen Speaks,” 2014) included no suggestions from psychology. The only reply from neuroscience pertained to research methods, not content.
If I were eligible to reply (as I am not, the exercise being limited to “young scientists”), I would make the same reply for both psychology and neuroscience: Around the year 2000, researchers began to uncover what aspects of brain activity accompany conscious experience.
In the late 1800s, psychology began as the study of the mind. Then the behaviorists convinced everyone to abandon the study of mind and consciousness, for good reasons. At the time, the only way to study consciousness was introspection, a source of no reliable information. Through most of the next century, experimental psychologists avoided not only research on consciousness, but also the term itself. Unconscious processes were equally taboo, to avoid any association with Freudian theories.

More recently, Stanislas Dehaene and others have made consciousness not only respectable, but an exciting area of research advances. One key to their success was to adopt an operational definition of consciousness: A cooperative person who reports awareness of one stimulus and not another is conscious of the first and not the second. A second key was a focus on a limited, answerable question: What type of brain activity occurs when we have conscious access to a sensory stimulus that does not occur when we lack access to the same stimulus? A third was the arrival of new methods such as fMRI that can localize brain activity in healthy people. The fourth advance came from presenting a stimulus under two conditions, one that permits conscious access and one that prevents it. For example, a brief stimulus followed by a blank screen is visible, but the same stimulus followed by a masking stimulus is not. In binocular rivalry, the left and right eyes view incompatible scenes, and the viewer alternates between awareness of one and awareness of the other. So, an experimenter presents a stimulus under conditions that do or do not permit consciousness, verifies consciousness by the viewer’s report, and compares the resulting brain activity in the two conditions.

According to the research of Dehaene and others, the initial stages of processing are identical for stimuli that do or do not become conscious. In both cases the stimuli excite retinal receptors that send messages to the thalamus and then to the primary visual cortex. From that point on, the process bifurcates in an all-or-none manner. If interference from previous and subsequent stimuli is great enough, the response to the stimulus weakens as it passes to other cortical areas, where it may subtly bias behavior in ways that we call “subliminal perception.” However, the person has no conscious perception and cannot report the stimulus verbally. In the absence of strong inhibition, the prefrontal and parietal cortices send messages back to the primary visual cortex and the message reverberates and amplifies through other brain areas. If you are recording with an EEG, you see a P300 wave resulting from all this activity. (Dehaene notes that the P300 wave, one of the signatures of conscious processing, occurs by definition about 300 ms after a stimulus. Consistent with other types of research, this finding indicates that our consciousness of something lags almost a third of a second behind the event itself. It lags even further behind in human infants.)

Consciousness, Dehaene concludes, means brain-wide information sharing. Extensive research to support this statement is clever, persuasive, and well worth reading. It also has a practical application. A stimulus to the brain, applied by a magnet on the surface of the head, produces a response that spreads through the brain of a conscious individual. It does not spread for someone in a coma, a vegetative state, or non-REM sleep. This and other methods can distinguish between unconscious people and others who may be conscious but unable to control their muscles. It might also distinguish between people who are about to emerge from a vegetative or minimally conscious state, and others who are not.
Is consciousness useful for anything? A recent trend has been to describe consciousness as virtually useless, a passenger rather than a driver (e.g., Norretranders, 1991/1998; Wegner, 2002). Some consider consciousness an epiphenomenon, a useless entity that emerges without accomplishing anything, like the noise a lawnmower makes. Dehaene disagrees. He describes visual patterns that are consistent with many interpretations, but which appear in consciousness in only one way at a time. Consciousness, he says, serves to settle on one interpretation of events. He also cites tasks we can perform while conscious that we cannot complete subliminally, such as mentally multiplying 13 × 12. From these examples he argues that the function of consciousness is to transform incoming data points into an unambiguous summary, which the system can carry forward in time, manipulate sequentially, and communicate to others. In this way Dehaene argues similarly to Roy Baumeister and colleagues, who describe tasks that people perform consciously that they cannot perform unconsciously (Baumeister et al., 2011). The implication is that because consciousness always occurs during certain tasks, therefore, it is necessary for performing those tasks. Logically speaking, however, that argument is not airtight. Could someone program a computer to find a best interpretation of ambiguous data, carry it forth in time, manipulate information in sequence, communicate it, and perform the other tasks attributed to consciousness? Presumably, yes. In fact, computers do a good bit of this right now. Unless we assume that computers are conscious, the question remains why we are conscious when we perform certain functions, whereas computers can perform virtually the same functions without consciousness. (Yes, we should be open to the possibility of machine consciousness, but we don’t want to be too quick to assume it.)

The dispute about the function of consciousness seems to be based on this dichotomy: Either consciousness is a useless epiphenomenon, or we evolved it as an extra function to solve certain tasks. In contrast, an identity position on the mind-brain relationship holds that brain activity of a certain type is mental activity. We couldn’t have the mental activity without the brain activity, but equally we couldn’t have the brain activity without the mental activity. Brains didn’t evolve minds to solve a special task any more than hearts evolved mass to solve a special task. Rather, they couldn’t operate without it.

Ah, but if brain activity really equals mental activity, why is it so? Near the end of Dehaene’s book he turns to what David Chalmers (1995) calls “the hard problem.” To paraphrase, Chalmers asks why, in a universe of matter and energy, consciousness exists at all. Why is it possible for a fluctuation of matter and energy in the brain to equal the experience of blue—not just the tendency to say blue, or the ability to sort a blue object with other blue objects, but the experience itself? Dehaene dismisses this “hard problem” in barely over a page of text, arguing that mental experience is a pre-scientific concept that will disappear, as we better understand the connections in the brain. Well, maybe so, but I find this part of his argument unconvincing.
Consciousness and the Brain is beautifully written, erudite, thoughtful, and likely to provoke discussion for years to come. For any psychologist or neuroscientist who is not already familiar with recent consciousness research, I recommend putting this book at the top of your reading list. Less than 20 years ago, Stuart Sutherland (1996) gave this definition: “Consciousness: the having of perceptions, thoughts and feelings; awareness…. Nothing worth reading has been written about it.” Anyone who reads Dehaene’s book can no longer justify that statement.
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REFERENCES​

  • Baumeister RF, Masicampo EJ, Vohs KD. Do conscious thoughts cause behavior? Annu Rev Psychol. 2011;62:331–361. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
  • Chalmers D. Facing up to the problem of consciousness. J Conscious Stud. 1995;2:200–219. [Google Scholar]
  • “NextGen Speaks” Science. 2014;343:24–26. [Google Scholar]
  • Norretranders T. The user illusion. New York, NY: Penguin; 1998. (Original work published 1991) [Google Scholar]
  • Sutherland S. International dictionary of psychology. 2nd ed. New York, NY: Crossroad; 1996. [Google Scholar]
  • Wegner DM. The illusion of conscious will. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press; 2002. [Google Scholar]
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I should reiterate that evolution cannot explain how two different genders originated in the first place. My statement has nothing to do with challenging the evolutionist's view of the way they understand the two genders. Though, they just can't explain how the two originated to begin with.
Your mantra 'evolution cannot explain' continues with your intentional ignorance of science. Ther is a great deal of research on gender identity and the evolution of geneder from the simplist forms in the volution of life.

Example: Neurobiology of gender identity and sexual orientation

Neurobiology of gender identity and sexual orientation​

Abstract​

Sexual identity and sexual orientation are independent components of a person’s sexual identity. These dimensions are most often in harmony with each other and with an individual’s genital sex, although not always. The present review discusses the relationship of sexual identity and sexual orientation to prenatal factors that act to shape the development of the brain and the expression of sexual behaviours in animals and humans. One major influence discussed relates to organisational effects that the early hormone environment exerts on both gender identity and sexual orientation. Evidence that gender identity and sexual orientation are masculinised by prenatal exposure to testosterone and feminised in it absence is drawn from basic research in animals, correlations of biometric indices of androgen exposure and studies of clinical conditions associated with disorders in sexual development. There are, however, important exceptions to this theory that have yet to be resolved. Family and twin studies indicate that genes play a role, although no specific candidate genes have been identified. Evidence that relates to the number of older brothers implicates maternal immune responses as a contributing factor for male sexual orientation. It remains speculative how these influences might relate to each other and interact with postnatal socialisation. Nonetheless, despite the many challenges to research in this area, existing empirical evidence makes it clear that there is a significant biological contribution to the development of an individual’s sexual identity and sexual orientation.
Keywords: brain, foetal development, gender identity, homosexuality, hormones, sexual differentiation, sexual orientation, sexual partner preference, sexually dimorphic nucleus, transsexuality
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1 |. INTRODUCTION​

Gender identity and sexual orientation are fundamental independent characteristics of an individual’s sexual identity.1 Gender identity refers to a person’s innermost concept of self as male, female or something else and can be the same or different from one’s physical sex.2 Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic and/or sexual attractions to men, women or both sexes.3 Both gender identity and sexual orientation are characterised by obvious sex differences. Most genetic females identify as such and are attracted to males (ie, androphilic) and most genetic males identify as males and are attracted to females (ie, gynophilic). The existence of these dramatic sex differences suggest that gonadal hormones, particularly testosterone, might be involved, given that testosterone plays an important role in the development of most, behavioural sex differences in other species. Here, a review is provided of the evidence that testosterone influences human gender identity and sexual orientation. The review begins by summarising the available information on sex hormones and brain development in other species that forms the underpinnings of the hypothesis suggesting that these human behaviours are programmed by the prenatal hormone environment, and it will also consider contributions from genes. This is followed by a critical evaluation of the evidence in humans and relevant animal models that relates sexual identity and sexual orientation to the influences that genes and hormones have over brain development.

5 |. CONCLUSIONS​

The data summarised in the present review suggest that both gender identity and sexual orientation are significantly influenced by events occurring during the early developmental period when the brain is differentiating under the influence of gonadal steroid hormones, genes and maternal factors. However, our current understanding of these factors is far from complete and the results are not always consistent. Animal studies form both the theoretical underpinnings of the prenatal hormone hypothesis and provide causal evidence for the effect of prenatal hormones on sexual orientation as modelled by tests of sexual partner preferences, although they do not translate to gender identity.
Sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place before sexual differentiation of the brain, making it possible that they are not always congruent. Structural and functional differences of hypothalamic nuclei and other brain areas differ in relation to sexual identity and sexual orientation, indicating that these traits develop independently. This may be a result of differing hormone sensitivities and/or separate critical periods, although this remains to be explored. Most findings are consistent with a predisposing influence of hormones or genes, rather than a determining influence. For example, only some people exposed to atypical hormone environments prenatally show altered gender identity or sexual orientation, whereas many do not. Family and twin studies indicate that genes play a role, but no specific candidate genes have been identified. Evidence that relates to the number of older brothers implicates maternal immune responses as a contributing factor for male sexual orientation. All of these mechanisms rely on correlations and our current understanding suffers from many limitations in the data, such as a reliance on retrospective clinical studies of individuals with rare conditions, small study populations sizes, biases in recruiting subjects, too much reliance on studies of male homosexuals, and the assumption that sexuality is easily categorised and binary. Moreover, none of the biological factors identified so far can explain all of the variances in sexual identity or orientation, nor is it known whether or how these factors may interact. Despite these limitations, the existing empirical evidence makes it clear that there is a significant biological contribution to the development of an individual’s sexual identity and sexual orientation.
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ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS​

I thank Charles Estill, Robert Shapiro and Fred Stormshak for their thoughtful comments on this review. This work was supported by NIH R01OD011047.
Funding information
This work was supported by NIH R01OD011047 (CER)

As before your mantra ' science cannot explain' reflects your intentional ignorance of science. It is a given that you will reject all the scientific evidence and research you claim does not exist.

Over 90 references provided in this paper concerning research on gender identity.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Evolution cannot explain consciousness. No evolutionary biologist or paleontologist could give you an answer on where consciousness came from the same way how they cannot tell you how two opposite sexes came about. It's most likely from God though which makes plenty of sense.
There is no science of consciousness at the present. Scientists are not even entirely sure how to define it. Let's come back in 100 years and see what has been learned.
 
II except it's simply not so.

I refer you to intro to biology.
I will admit I'm no biologist. That's not my field of expertise. But you seem ill-informed on more current and up to date issues with evolution that anyone can read about in research journals. The origins of sex is a big stumbling block in evolution that is being debated and is not something taught in basic biology class.
 
More to follow . . .
This article does not answer where consciousness came from. Rather, it's mainly a study of the brain and how these reserchers try to connect the brain's processes to the concept of what consciousness is to them but still fails to explain where consciousness came from. Read the last part of this article you quoted.

Ah, but if brain activity really equals mental activity, why is it so? Near the end of Dehaene’s book he turns to what David Chalmers (1995) calls “the hard problem.” To paraphrase, Chalmers asks why, in a universe of matter and energy, consciousness exists at all. Why is it possible for a fluctuation of matter and energy in the brain to equal the experience of blue—not just the tendency to say blue, or the ability to sort a blue object with other blue objects, but the experience itself? Dehaene dismisses this “hard problem” in barely over a page of text, arguing that mental experience is a pre-scientific concept that will disappear, as we better understand the connections in the brain. Well, maybe so, but I find this part of his argument unconvincing.

The researchers fails to achieve their goals of explaining the origins of consciousness and even how it works. They dismiss it by saying "it's useless" pretty much. And the reviewer outright finds this part of his assertion unconvincing.

One research article that is bias towards your viewpoint and I can tell these researchers are evolutionary psychologists judging by the terms they use. Saying things like "consciousness is useless" doesn't explain consciousness. Nice confirmation bias article too by the way.

So, peddling your viewpoints as "facts" again I see. There's no proof in science. Just evidence pointing in certain possible directions but at anytime could start pointing in another direction. I could post several articles advocating my position too but what good would it do for someone so heavily sold into this doctrine of yours?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
This article does not answer where consciousness came from. Rather, it's mainly a study of the brain and how these researchers try to connect the brain's processes to the concept of what consciousness is to them but still fails to explain where consciousness came from. Read the last part of this article you quoted.
I seriously question your literacy, and doubt you read any of the hundreds of articles that directly researched the relationship of consciousness and the brain. The results are specifically clear consciousness arises from the brain. The first article addressed some of the problems with the research, but the conclusions are the same as reflected in the following.

The first reference in the google search made it clear: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0079612305500098

Consciousness, information integration, and the brain​


Clinical observations have established that certain parts of the brain are essential for consciousness whereas other parts are not. For example, different areas of the cerebral cortex contribute different modalities and submodalities of consciousness, whereas the cerebellum does not, despite having even more neurons. It is also well established that consciousness depends on the way the brain functions. For example, consciousness is much reduced during slow wave sleep and generalized seizures, even though the levels of neural activity are comparable or higher than in wakefulness. To understand why this is so, empirical observations on the neural correlates of consciousness need to be complemented by a principled theoretical approach. Otherwise, it is unlikely that we could ever establish to what extent consciousness is present in neurological conditions such as akinetic mutism, psychomotor seizures, or sleepwalking, and to what extent it is present in newborn babies and animals. A principled approach is provided by the information integration theory of consciousness. This theory claims that consciousness corresponds to a system's capacity to integrate information, and proposes a way to measure such capacity. The information integration theory can account for several neurobiological observations concerning consciousness, including: (i) the association of consciousness with certain neural systems rather than with others; (ii) the fact that neural processes underlying consciousness can influence or be influenced by neural processes that remain unconscious; (iii) the reduction of consciousness during dreamless sleep and generalized seizures; and (iv) the time requirements on neural interactions that support consciousness.
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
I will admit I'm no biologist. That's not my field of expertise. But you seem ill-informed on more current and up to date issues with evolution that anyone can read about in research journals. The origins of sex is a big stumbling block in evolution that is being debated and is not something taught in basic biology class.
What research journals, what articles, specifically?

I think you are just saying things and have no research
citation that remotely suggests that the existence of
sexual dimorphism is in any way a challenge to
the validity of ToE
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Evolution cannot explain consciousness. No evolutionary biologist or paleontologist could give you an answer on where consciousness came from the same way how they cannot tell you how two opposite sexes came about. It's most likely from God though which makes plenty of sense.
Hello. I have been saying for a while now that the differences between those considered as apes are pretty wide from chimpanzees, let's say, to humans. In terms of consciousness. Or thinking ability. Humans have developed things like radios, printing presses, and the like, whereas chimpanzees and gorillas have not. As a result, I have been called ignorant and a science denier. Yet the difference remains.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Hello. I have been saying for a while now that the differences between those considered as apes are pretty wide from chimpanzees, let's say, to humans. In terms of consciousness. Or thinking ability. Humans have developed things like radios, printing presses, and the like, whereas chimpanzees and gorillas have not. As a result, I have been called ignorant and a science denier. Yet the difference remains.
Hello??? We know what you have been saying for years clinging to an ancient tribal agenda and rejecting science.

Evolution over millions of years, which you remain intentionally ignorant of the science involved.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Hello. I have been saying for a while now that the differences between those considered as apes are pretty wide from chimpanzees, let's say, to humans. In terms of consciousness. Or thinking ability. Humans have developed things like radios, printing presses, and the like, whereas chimpanzees and gorillas have not. As a result, I have been called ignorant and a science denier. Yet the difference remains.
Are you confusing consciousness with intelligence?

We've been through the tool argument before. The difference between a termite stick kit and a rocket going to the moon is one of quantity, not quality.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
There is no science of consciousness at the present. Scientists are not even entirely sure how to define it. Let's come back in 100 years and see what has been learned.
I believe that science has no problem objectively describing consciousness arises from the brain despite some of the issues and unknowns concerning the details. You can begin with the objective observation consciousness ends at death, and the unversality of consciousness in animals with a complex nervous system.

I gave a reference that lists over 10 google pages of research the relationship of consciousness and the brain in post #130, and a specific reference in #135.
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It is a fallacy to argue that "there is no science of conscious" based on what remains unknown. There is definitely a science of consciousness as referenced.
 
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