The default position...

[Deathbydefault]

Well, your articles are wrong. Skepticism is an extended position, not a default. It's a position of "always questioning," per se.

It's healthy, but it's no default.

I'm not going to "prove" god per se, because it's not relevant to the topic and because I simply don't care that you believe anything I say.

Default position is just a fancy term that is descriptive of a few different terms, such as skeptic.
It is healthy, I agree; it is also a default. Unless you can find a person that's never been skeptical of something.
I will believe whatever can be proven, but I will never believe just what someone may say.

If you can prove it I will believe it.
But I am not so childish, nor gullible, as to believe anything I'm told.

So you no caring is good, you would have wasted your words anyways, I'm sure.

 

[Bunyip]

I play the same game the dictionary does.

Good for you.

 

[Willamena]

I will believe whatever can be proven, but I will never believe just what someone may say.

THAT is the atheist. The hard atheist.

Thank you.

 

[Willamena]

Anyone without a belief in God is by definition atheist. Why doesn't that work?

Because of a third party.

 

[Deathbydefault]

THAT is the atheist. The hard atheist.

Thank you.

You're welcome?
That is exactly what atheists are, they don't believe a God because one cannot be proven.
If you're just coming to realize that then it might explain some things...

 

[Willamena]

You're welcome?
That is exactly what atheists are, they don't believe a God because one cannot be proven.
If you're just coming to realize that then it might explain some things...

It's nothing new.

 

[Willamena]

Finding a person who has never been skeptic is not a test of a "default" of anything. It's an actual position about skepticism. The position of ignorance about skepticism.

 

[Deathbydefault]

It's nothing new.

You have successfully confused me, lol.
I'm unsure of your thought process, but it's obviously not working in the way I had assumed.

 

[Willamena]

You have successfully confused me, lol.
I'm unsure of your thought process, but it's obviously not working in the way I had assumed.

I'm a self-proclaimed atheist.

 

[Deathbydefault]

I'm a self-proclaimed atheist.

Ahhhh, that makes everything come together, thank you for the information.

 

[Bunyip]

Because of a third party.

If your intention is to post meaningless obfuscations (trolling) you are doing very well.

 

[Willamena]

Believing in god because it cannot be proven (i.e. for a reason) is not a default position.

 

[Willamena]

If your intention is to post meaningless obfuscations (trolling) you are doing very well.

They're only (obviously) meaningless to you.

 

[Willamena]

Okay, I sincerely apologize for introducing logic to the conversation. That wasn't my intention.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Well you see, if a default position is what stops you from believing something without a reason, then doesn't atheism apply within it?
Atheist don't believe in God because they need that reason, that evidence, to do so.
Same with skeptics, and agnostics.

If my articles are "wrong" then give me one that aren't.

 

[Willamena]

Well you see, if a default position is what stops you from believing something without a reason, then doesn't atheism apply within it?

That isn't what a default is.

Default: Something that is usual or standard.

There's nothing usual, or really unusual, about the atheist, unless it's about a world where there are nothing but theists. (i.e. the Nineteenth Century.)

Atheist don't believe in God because they need that reason, that evidence, to do so.
Same with skeptics, and agnostics.

If my articles are "wrong" then give me one that aren't.

They're not "wrong" about atheism, just about default.

 

[Yerda]

No, Windwalker. I do understand your argument. I've seen variations of it in various threads for years, but it's simply not how we're defining weak atheism. Weak atheism is not a point of view.

I have never been comfortable with this idea. Weak atheism in myself and everyone that I know who shares it has always been a view point. It is a conclusion, not default ignorance. There is not enough evidence, therefore it is rejected. The position of the newborn is ignorance, atheism comes when you know what you don't believe. That's how I see it.

 

[Willamena]

The default condition for a human consciousness is "not knowing." We learn, and as we do we grow.

That's not to say that "atheism" is any condition of not knowing. We learn atheism as much as we learn anything else.

 

[Deathbydefault]

That isn't what a default is.

Default: Something that is usual or standard.

There's nothing unusual about the atheist, unless it's about a world where there are nothing but theists. (i.e. the Nineteenth Century.)


They're not "wrong" about atheism, just about default.

Default | Definition of default by Merriam-Webster
: a selection made usually automatically or without active consideration due to lack of a viable alternative <remained the club's president by default>

What of that definition?

 

[Willamena]

Default | Definition of default by Merriam-Webster
: a selection made usually automatically or without active consideration due to lack of a viable alternative <remained the club's president by default>

What of that definition?

Judgement. Just so.

A person isn't skeptical without something to be skeptical about.